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| mikesherov | DaveMethvin: you there? | 06:19 |
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| bot-t | (58 hours 40 mins ago) <DaveStein> tell mikesherov I think scrolling is failing since _handleScrolling modifies originalPointer to keep element on screen in some way. i actually notice a jitter when going ove rscroll when going right, but not going down, like test indicates | 06:19 |
| bot-t | (58 hours 40 mins ago) <DaveStein> tell mikesherov in fact it lags in both directions now that i tried a few more times. man i have some comments in my code but not enough! at least i know its that one function | 06:19 |
| DaveMethvin | mikesherov yep | 06:20 |
| mikesherov | I forgot to put the team meeting time on my calendar, can you remind me when it is? | 06:20 |
| DaveMethvin | noon on mondays | 06:20 |
| mikesherov | haha, board meeting | 06:20 |
| DaveMethvin | oh the june one | 06:20 |
| DaveMethvin | let me double check | 06:21 |
| mikesherov | right :-) | 06:21 |
| mikesherov | Although considering my attendance, a refresher on the Monday time isn't out of order | 06:21 |
| DaveMethvin | June 11 all day | 06:21 |
| DaveMethvin | but that's west coast time so i would guess we start at noon eastern | 06:21 |
| mikesherov | what about the teleconference? | 06:22 |
| mikesherov | that is all day too? | 06:22 |
| DaveMethvin | yeah we can set it up and leave it going | 06:22 |
| mikesherov | ok, great | 06:22 |
| mikesherov | thanks! | 06:22 |
| m_gol- | DaveMethvin: still here? | 06:28 |
| DaveMethvin | m_gol- yep | 06:28 |
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| m_gol | I'd like to discuss this source map mess | 06:29 |
| DaveMethvin | oh sure | 06:29 |
| m_gol | I don't know if you followed the thread | 06:29 |
| m_gol | recently | 06:29 |
| DaveMethvin | yeah, some stuff added yesterday | 06:29 |
| m_gol | anyway, I see only two solutions | 06:30 |
| m_gol | either to empower the sourceMappingURL parsing to be able to get the source file name and maybe perform some string modifications | 06:30 |
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| m_gol | or to create a separate option that just takses the lib.js file and creates map named lib.js.map or lib.map | 06:30 |
| m_gol | it seems we're coming closer to the second one, though it's fugly | 06:31 |
| DaveMethvin | there are two (unrelated) problems here | 06:31 |
| m_gol | but the first one has a disatvantage of requiring more "sofiscitated" tools to parse the sourceMappingURL input | 06:31 |
| DaveMethvin | one is the use of //@ which triggers IE @cc_on behavior | 06:31 |
| DaveMethvin | that shoudl be fixable by changing the sequence | 06:32 |
| m_gol | yep, I pinged you on Twitter that apparently they're willing to change that | 06:32 |
| m_gol | at least that's what Nick told me directly on Front Trends ;) | 06:32 |
| DaveMethvin | or documenting that people MUST wrap | 06:32 |
| DaveMethvin | in a /* */ | 06:32 |
| m_gol | yup | 06:32 |
| DaveMethvin | well the spec hasn't changed, the doc on google docs | 06:32 |
| DaveMethvin | the other is the concern that default naming would be inefficient | 06:32 |
| DaveMethvin | i dont' see why it has to be | 06:32 |
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| m_gol | yeah, not so far, I'll maybe try to ping him about the timing... | 06:33 |
| DaveMethvin | so it would only go looking for the file, a specific url, if ... | 06:33 |
| m_gol | not default naming but sth like: sourceMappingURL=${source,2,7}-sth.map | 06:33 |
| DaveMethvin | that seems harder | 06:33 |
| m_gol | well, just looking without asking is not a good solution, too | 06:33 |
| m_gol | too many 404 | 06:34 |
| m_gol | I loathe the favicon implicit loading for exactly this reason... | 06:34 |
| DaveMethvin | only if you start to debug | 06:34 |
| m_gol | hmm | 06:34 |
| m_gol | that's a valid remark ;) | 06:34 |
| DaveMethvin | it would only need the map if you want to set a breakpoint | 06:34 |
| DaveMethvin | or perhaps if there was an error that you looked up in the console | 06:34 |
| DaveMethvin | but either is relatively rare | 06:34 |
| m_gol | yeah, for some reason I didn't think about it... | 06:34 |
| DaveMethvin | not like the favicon situation where it happens for plain users | 06:34 |
| m_gol | do you actually have to click on the error message to force the map file loading? | 06:35 |
| m_gol | or just opening the console's enough? | 06:35 |
| DaveMethvin | i dunno when they need the map | 06:36 |
| DaveMethvin | i's also be okay with some //@sourceMappingURL=DEFAULT | 06:36 |
| DaveMethvin | with DEFAULT being a keyword meaning, look for the default name | 06:36 |
| DaveMethvin | rather than make them parse a bunch of junk | 06:36 |
| m_gol | then there's concern of the js file being named "DEFAULT" :D | 06:36 |
| m_gol | I'm sure SOMEONE did sth like that somewhere | 06:37 |
| DaveMethvin | we they are screwed then :) | 06:37 |
| m_gol | :) | 06:37 |
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| m_gol | well, maybe that's a clever point of view | 06:37 |
| m_gol | doesn't seem so pure to create exceptions, though | 06:37 |
| m_gol | well, the problem is the spec is not only for JS | 06:37 |
| m_gol | CSS can be minified in this way, too | 06:38 |
| m_gol | etc. | 06:38 |
| DaveMethvin | that's fine | 06:38 |
| m_gol | and I'm not sure if we can be absolutely sure there won't be any case where naming sth DEFAULT is actually the norm | 06:38 |
| m_gol | so Nick proposed to create a separate pragma @hasImplicitSourceMap | 06:38 |
| DaveMethvin | so there just needs to be a simple rule on how to construct the map and original source name from the minififed file which is the only file we have to start with | 06:38 |
| DaveMethvin | that would be fine too | 06:39 |
| DaveMethvin | but using ## instead of @ or something | 06:39 |
| m_gol | yep | 06:39 |
| m_gol | I reminded him of that ;) | 06:39 |
| m_gol | still, I have to say this is not ideal | 06:39 |
| m_gol | because we can do 2 separate things: | 06:39 |
| m_gol | 1) name sth however we want but with no relation to the original file name | 06:40 |
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| m_gol | 2) name sth relating to the original file in a strictly defined way | 06:40 |
| DaveMethvin | rules aren't bad | 06:40 |
| m_gol | which would cause problems if sb had a file structure where libs are under lib/lib.js and the dev files under /dev/lib.map | 06:40 |
| DaveMethvin | they'd both need to be accessible from http to debug tho | 06:41 |
| DaveMethvin | so why use a complex structure? | 06:41 |
| m_gol | which might be not so rare as it's the simplest way to block most people from accessing debug files | 06:41 |
| DaveMethvin | but if you want to... | 06:41 |
| DaveMethvin | but then you're back to getting 404 | 06:41 |
| DaveMethvin | or 401 | 06:41 |
| m_gol | hah, right | 06:41 |
| m_gol | so this is a separate, 3rd problem ;D | 06:42 |
| DaveMethvin | and the complex name-it-anything approach solves all of those anyway | 06:42 |
| DaveMethvin | the problem i want to solve is the one that the google cdn guys did | 06:42 |
| DaveMethvin | which is, assume rightly that it was fine to rename the files | 06:42 |
| DaveMethvin | because it has ALWAYS been okay to just rename files on the web | 06:42 |
| DaveMethvin | until now | 06:42 |
| m_gol | well, adding a @hasImplicitURL pragma wouldn't solve it completely | 06:43 |
| DaveMethvin | how come | 06:43 |
| m_gol | if sb has a complicated structure with map files in a different dir than the js file | 06:43 |
| m_gol | they'd need to use the regular @sourceMappingURL | 06:43 |
| DaveMethvin | yep, which is fine with me | 06:43 |
| m_gol | and then when sb renames, they're screwed as now | 06:43 |
| m_gol | k | 06:43 |
| DaveMethvin | yep | 06:43 |
| m_gol | you seem more pragmatic than me, sir! ;) | 06:44 |
| DaveMethvin | i'm sure there are more ways to solve the in-between cases but i'm okay with this | 06:44 |
| DaveMethvin | it keeps their job a lot simpler | 06:44 |
| m_gol | Nick wrote that he might go with @hasImplicitSourceMap pragma if no one comes with a better idea, though he doesn't like it | 06:44 |
| m_gol | as for the @ | 06:45 |
| m_gol | I'll probably try to push for it | 06:45 |
| DaveMethvin | the idea of making some macro language to parse file names is one that I'd avoid | 06:45 |
| m_gol | we now see enormous numer of tools for generating maps | 06:45 |
| m_gol | * source maps | 06:45 |
| DaveMethvin | and most of them unfortunately break in IE with @cc_on | 06:45 |
| m_gol | so the later the pragma changes, the more likely is that the current @ usage is too widespread already... | 06:45 |
| DaveMethvin | yep | 06:45 |
| DaveMethvin | so 1.10 beta 1 should be out later today...any last minute requests? | 06:46 |
| m_gol | ok, so we seem to be in agreement | 06:46 |
| DaveMethvin | yep | 06:46 |
| m_gol | I've missed last meeting :/ | 06:46 |
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| DaveMethvin | i think it's all under control, np | 06:47 |
| m_gol | ok, no requests from me as for the beta | 06:48 |
| gibson042 | hey guys... if we're dreaming, I'd like to see map specified *outside* the JS so we can avoid these wacky issues | 06:48 |
| DaveMethvin | now that would be nice | 06:48 |
| DaveMethvin | so it will never happen :) | 06:48 |
| m_gol | :D | 06:48 |
| gibson042 | 8-) | 06:48 |
| DaveMethvin | since they want to avoid another request | 06:48 |
| gibson042 | *cough* <link> *cough* | 06:49 |
| m_gol | well, when (if?) they change the @ pragma to # or ! or sth we'll be able to put the comment at the end and the problem will disappear | 06:49 |
| DaveMethvin | they don't want to parse the html | 06:49 |
| DaveMethvin | oh actually i meant to look at that, one of the maps didn't look right when i did a test build | 06:49 |
| DaveMethvin | it was referring to jquery-pre.js | 06:50 |
| gibson042 | yeah, I know | 06:50 |
| gibson042 | but THIS: "because it has ALWAYS been okay to just rename files on the web" | 06:50 |
| gibson042 | is worth a lot | 06:50 |
| DaveMethvin | it's just assumed | 06:50 |
| gibson042 | yeah | 06:51 |
| m_gol | specifying map location in a separate file wouldn't solve that problem, tough | 06:51 |
| m_gol | * though | 06:51 |
| gibson042 | sure it would | 06:51 |
| DaveMethvin | you could update the defn file separately | 06:51 |
| m_gol | ah, in this sense, ok | 06:51 |
| gibson042 | I tell you that y is a map for x | 06:51 |
| gibson042 | external to x | 06:51 |
| m_gol | yeah, well, the current way creates circular dependencies which is not nice | 06:52 |
| gibson042 | exactly | 06:52 |
| m_gol | ha, that looks great | 06:52 |
| m_gol | maybe you could propose sth on the list? ;) | 06:52 |
| m_gol | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/mozilla.dev.js-sourcemap | 06:52 |
| DaveMethvin | this format is definitely created with simplicity for the browser in mind | 06:53 |
| m_gol | that would actually remove the need for some name parsing, you'd just define maps: {"jquery.min.js": "jquery.min.map"} | 06:53 |
| DaveMethvin | it would just be a json file, and browsers know json | 06:54 |
| m_gol | I'm not optimistic about their will to introduce such a change to the spec at this level | 06:54 |
| m_gol | but, well, we can try | 06:54 |
| DaveMethvin | especially because it would be an "in addition" thing i suspect | 06:54 |
| m_gol | yeah | 06:54 |
| DaveMethvin | but the //@ sequence has to change, regardless | 06:55 |
| DaveMethvin | the sooner the better | 06:55 |
| m_gol | but that's sick that source map refers to specific parts of the minified file that can be moved by introducing a comment with source map location... | 06:55 |
| m_gol | I'll post there about @ again, this is the most important of all those issues IMGO | 06:55 |
| m_gol | * IMHO | 06:55 |
| gibson042 | I'm actually ok with that m_gol | 06:56 |
| gibson042 | because it maps comments too | 06:56 |
| DaveMethvin | the //@ newline-terminated comment makes me uneasy | 06:56 |
| DaveMethvin | esp at the end of the file | 06:56 |
| gibson042 | right | 06:56 |
| gibson042 | the problem is in its syntax and default location | 06:57 |
| DaveMethvin | but sourcemaps already break the common practice of concatting files so i guess it doesn't matter | 06:57 |
| DaveMethvin | except for the first file concatted i suppose | 06:57 |
| DaveMethvin | assuming you get the file names right, etc | 06:58 |
| gibson042 | none of which matters if we can get the map info *out* of the source file | 06:58 |
| gibson042 | if we're to push on anything, I'd like it to be that | 06:59 |
| m_gol | I posted about @ here again: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.dev.js-sourcemap/4uo7Z5nTfUY | 07:01 |
| m_gol | is there any volunteer to describe the JSON config concept on the list? ;) | 07:02 |
| DaveMethvin | i'm posting a reply emphasizing my support for some changes here | 07:03 |
| m_gol | k | 07:03 |
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| DaveMethvin | gibson042 do you want to propose the separate file? | 07:03 |
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| gibson042 | I don't think I have the availability for making sufficient noise on this, unfortunately, but I'll try to get something up there | 07:06 |
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| m_gol | ok, so we're set, let's hope it works | 07:11 |
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| DaveMethvin | HELLOOOOO? SWAAAAARMY? | 12:22 |
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| DaveMethvin | if you don't run how will i know i'm still failing? | 12:23 |
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| jqcommit | 13jquery.com/06master 14e4f8d47 15Dave Methvin: 2.0.1-0 | 13:29 |
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| scott_gonzalez | DaveMethvin: You'll be happy to know that jquery-migrate has 100% CLA/CAA coverage :-) | 14:14 |
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| scott_gonzalez | Just 43 more repos to go... | 14:14 |
| DaveMethvin | must be the "law of small numbers" at work | 14:15 |
| scott_gonzalez | jquery.com is SO close. | 14:16 |
| scott_gonzalez | This audit script is close to being useful :-) | 14:17 |
| scott_gonzalez | Now we just need rworth to find the CAAs. | 14:18 |
| rworth | :) | 14:18 |
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| DaveMethvin | timmywil gibson042 we're getting a fail on order of elements in IE8 http://wnd8.com/grab/2ebe3e.png | 18:10 |
| DaveMethvin | otherwise things are looking good | 18:11 |
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| DaveMethvin | ajpiano gnarf something for twitter if you'd like: http://blog.jquery.com/2013/05/09/jquery-1-10-beta-1-released/ | 18:38 |
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