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<li class="level2"><a href="#sydney-f2f-february-1-3-2016">Sydney F2F February 1-3 2016</a><ul class="toc">
<li class="level3"><a href="#meeting-minutes">Meeting Minutes</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#adjacent-meetings">Adjacent meetings</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#dates-to-schedule-around">Dates to schedule around</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#place">Place</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#participants">Participants</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#travel-tofrom-airport">Travel to/from airport</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#schedule">Schedule</a></li>
<li class="level3"><a href="#proposed-topics">Proposed topics</a></li>
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<h2 id="sydney-f2f-february-1-3-2016">Sydney F2F February 1-3 2016</h2>
<ul>
<li class="level1">Host: Google</li>
<li class="level1">Dates: Monday-Wednesday, February 01-3, 2016 (with SVG on Wednesday)</li>
<li class="level1">Times: Doors will open from 8:30am. Meeting can run from 9:00am - 6:30pm as required.</li>
</ul><h3 id="meeting-minutes">Meeting Minutes</h3>
<ul>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0205.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0205.html" rel="noopener">Wednesday, 1 Feb Part I: Web Compat Challenges</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0206.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0206.html" rel="noopener">Wednesday, 1 Feb Part II: Tables, Colors, Transforms</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0207.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0207.html" rel="noopener">Wednesday, 1 Feb Part III: Writing Modes, Line Grid</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0208.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0208.html" rel="noopener">Wednesday, 1 Feb Part IV: Overflow</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0350.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0350.html" rel="noopener">Thursday, 2 Feb Part I: A report on research into automatic layout, CSS Text</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0351.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0351.html" rel="noopener">Thursday, 2 Feb Part II: Round Display</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0352.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0352.html" rel="noopener">Thursday, 2 Feb Part III: Behavior of contains:paint and overflow:clip, text-overflow and resize properties; CSS Text; Exclusions and bidi</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0353.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0353.html" rel="noopener">Thursday, 2 Feb Part IV: Snap Points, bookmark-level: auto, Sizing</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0357.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0357.html" rel="noopener">Friday, 3 Feb Part I: 2017 F2F Meetings, Scroll-linked Animations</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0358.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0358.html" rel="noopener">Friday, 3 Feb Part II: Fill & Stroke on CSS Text</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0359.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0359.html" rel="noopener">Friday, 3 Feb Part III: SVG Text Issues</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0360.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Mar/0360.html" rel="noopener">Friday, 3 Feb Part IV: CSS Masking, Filters, Gradients & Dithering, Investigation about JS API for Realizing Level of Details, Transitions and Animations, Matrices</a></li>
</ul><h3 id="adjacent-meetings">Adjacent meetings</h3>
<ul>
<li class="level1">2016-01-30..31 <a href="https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/wiki/Sydney-F2F-January-2016" title="https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/wiki/Sydney-F2F-January-2016" rel="noopener">Houdini Meeting</a> in Sydney</li>
<li class="level1">2016-02-03 Joint meeting between <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> and SVG in Sydney</li>
<li class="level1">2016-02-04..06 <a href="http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Sydney_2016" title="http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Sydney_2016" rel="noopener">SVG WG Meeting</a> in Sydney</li>
</ul><h3 id="dates-to-schedule-around">Dates to schedule around</h3>
<ul>
<li class="level1">2016-01-12..15 <a href="https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/tree/gh-pages/2016/01-mel" title="https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/tree/gh-pages/2016/01-mel" rel="noopener">TAG Meeting</a> in Melbourne, Australia</li>
<li class="level1">2016-01-30..31 FOSDEM in Brussels, Belgium</li>
<li class="level1">2016-02-01..05 <a href="http://linux.conf.au/" title="http://linux.conf.au/" rel="noopener">linux.conf.au</a>, Geelong (near Melbourne), Australia</li>
</ul><h3 id="place">Place</h3>
<p>
Google Sydney: Level 5, 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont
</p>
<p>
<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zJ65I1F7fhHg.kXMVcT5RKNhU" title="https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zJ65I1F7fhHg.kXMVcT5RKNhU" rel="noopener">This map</a> might help.
</p>
<p>
<strong>Meeting Rooms</strong>
</p>
<ul>
<li class="level1 node">Main room:<ul>
<li class="level3">Corroboree, on Level 5 (opposite reception).</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li class="level1 node">Breakout rooms:<ul>
<li class="level3">Monday: Barangaroo, on Level 4 (all day) - 42 person room</li>
<li class="level3">Tuesday AM: Howzat, on Level 6 (9am-1pm) - 14 person room</li>
<li class="level3">Tuesday PM: Dreamtime, on Level 5 (1pm-5:30pm) - 18 person room</li>
<li class="level3">Wednesday AM: Dreamtime, on Level 5 (9am-1pm) - 18 person room</li>
<li class="level3">Wednesday PM: Redback, on Level 6 (1pm-5:30pm) - 16 person room</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>
<strong>Instructions for arrival</strong>:
</p>
<p>
Please come directly up to level 5. A security guard will let you in and I will have a badge for you.
</p>
<p>
If you arrive after 9:30am, please either:
</p>
<ul>
<li class="level1">call Shane Stephens on +61 405 491 744; or</li>
<li class="level1">log on to the free Google Guest wifi (which should be accessible from the ground floor) and ping someone on #css.</li>
</ul>
<p>
<strong>Parking</strong>: If you think you'd like to drive to the meeting, please let Shane know and he will try and book parking for you at Google. <strong>Parking is limited</strong>. There are also parking stations nearby, particularly <a href="http://www.wilsonparking.com.au/go/wilson-car-parks/nsw/harbourside" title="http://www.wilsonparking.com.au/go/wilson-car-parks/nsw/harbourside" rel="noopener">Harbourside</a>.
</p><h4 id="visa-requirements">Visa Requirements</h4>
<p>
A visa is required for US Citizens to enter Australia (citizens of other countries please check with the appropriate authorities), a visa may be obtained electronically from the <a href="http://www.eta.immi.gov.au/" title="http://www.eta.immi.gov.au/" rel="noopener">Electronic Travel Authority web site</a>.
</p>
<p>
For various other nationalities, you're supposed to get a <a href="https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/651" title="https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/651" rel="noopener">https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/651</a>-
</p><h3 id="participants">Participants</h3>
<p>
Please, put your name in this table if you plan to participate (alphabetical order by given name):
</p>
<div class="table sectionedit7"><table class="inline">
<thead>
<tr class="row0">
<th class="col0"> Name </th><th class="col1"> Arrival </th><th class="col2"> Departure </th><th class="col3"> Hotel </th><th class="col4"> Flight info and notes </th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tr class="row1">
<td class="col0"> Alan Stearns </td><td class="col1"> Jan 26 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 6 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row2">
<td class="col0"> Andrey Rybka </td><td class="col1"> Jan 31 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 3 </td><td class="col3"> Oaks Goldsbrough Apartments </td><td class="col4"> AirNZ </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row3">
<td class="col0"> Bert Bos </td><td class="col1"> Jan 29 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> The Haven Glebe </td><td class="col4"> VA891/VA640 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row4">
<td class="col0"> Brian Birtles </td><td class="col1"> Jan 23 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 9 </td><td class="col3"> Oaks Goldsbrough Apartments </td><td class="col4"> JAL </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row5">
<td class="col0"> Dean Jackson </td><td class="col1"> ?? </td><td class="col2"> ?? </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row6">
<td class="col0"> Edward O'Connor </td><td class="col1"> Jan 30 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 6 </td><td class="col3"> Sheraton on the Park </td><td class="col4"> UA 863 / UA 870 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row7">
<td class="col0"> fantasai </td><td class="col1"> Jan 30 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 5 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> NZ15+NZ103 / NZ104+NZ8 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row8">
<td class="col0"> Florian Rivoal </td><td class="col1"> Jan 31 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> KE728+KE121 / KE122+KE721 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row9">
<td class="col0"> Greg Whitworth </td><td class="col1"> Jan 27 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row10">
<td class="col0"> Hiroshi Sakakibara </td><td class="col1"> Jan 31 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row11">
<td class="col0"> Hyojin Song </td><td class="col1"> Jan 30, 08:40 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> OZ601 / OZ602 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row12">
<td class="col0"> Ian Kilpatrick </td><td class="col1"> Jan 26 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 7 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> Qantas </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row13">
<td class="col0"> Ian Vollick </td><td class="col1"> Jan 29 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 2 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> United </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row14">
<td class="col0"> Jihye Hong </td><td class="col1"> Jan 30, 08:40 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> OZ601 / OZ602 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row15">
<td class="col0"> Joone Hur </td><td class="col1"> Jan 29 08:35 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 5 14:30 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> UA 863 / UA 870 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row16">
<td class="col0"> Koji Ishii </td><td class="col1"> ?? </td><td class="col2"> 2016-02-04(?) </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row17">
<td class="col0"> L. David Baron </td><td class="col1"> 29 Jan, 14:35 </td><td class="col2"> 6 Feb, 14:30 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb / ?? </td><td class="col4"> ANZ119 / UAL870 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row18">
<td class="col0"> Jet Villegas </td><td class="col1"> 29 Jan, 14:35 </td><td class="col2"> 5 Feb, 11:50 </td><td class="col3"> Sydney Travelodge / ?? </td><td class="col4"> ANZ119 / ANZ104 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row19">
<td class="col0"> Peter Linss </td><td class="col1"> Jan 28/29 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 8 </td><td class="col3"> Novotel Sydney </td><td class="col4"> Car / UA840 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row20">
<td class="col0"> Rossen Atanassov </td><td class="col1"> Jan 29 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 8 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> pescatarian </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row21">
<td class="col0"> Simon Fraser </td><td class="col1"> ?? </td><td class="col2"> ?? </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row22">
<td class="col0"> Simon Pieters </td><td class="col1"> Jan 29 (22:30) </td><td class="col2"> Feb 3 (21:45) </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> QF 8414 / QF 8413 </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row23">
<td class="col0"> Steve Zilles </td><td class="col1"> Jan 27 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> Merton Serviced Apartments </td><td class="col4"> UA </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row24">
<td class="col0"> Takao Baba </td><td class="col1"> Jan 31 </td><td class="col2"> Feb 4 </td><td class="col3"> ?? </td><td class="col4"> ?? </td>
</tr>
<tr class="row25">
<td class="col0"> Tantek Çelik </td><td class="col1"> 2016-01-30 08:35 </td><td class="col2"> 2016-02-04 14:30 </td><td class="col3"> Airbnb </td><td class="col4"> UAL863 / UAL870 </td>
</tr>
</table><p>
<strong>Regrets</strong>
</p>
<ul>
<li class="level1">Dave Cramer</li>
<li class="level1">Dael Jackson</li>
<li class="level1">Dongwoo Joshua Im</li>
<li class="level1">Chris Lilley (travel budget, Bert will attend)</li>
<li class="level1">Brad Kemper (but would like to call in or Skype in or whatever during Sydney mornings, especially for the round display stuff)</li>
</ul>
<p>
<em><strong>Please note that Jan 26 is a public holiday in Australia</strong></em>
</p><h4 id="network">Network</h4>
<p>
The GoogleGuest network will be available throughout the building. No password is required.
</p><h3 id="travel-tofrom-airport">Travel to/from airport</h3>
<p>
A taxi from the airport to the meeting venue will cost between $30 and $50, depending on traffic. There's generally only a short wait to get a taxi, and a fairly orderly queue. This is probably the most convenient, and also the cheapest if you share with others…
</p>
<p>
If staying in Chinatown, the <a href="http://www.airportlink.com.au/directions/sydney-city.php" title="http://www.airportlink.com.au/directions/sydney-city.php" rel="noopener">airport train line</a> is reasonably convenient. A one-way ticket is $16.40. If you're staying in Pyrmont, you can still take the train, then jump on the <a href="http://www.sydneylightrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/" title="http://www.sydneylightrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/" rel="noopener">light rail</a> from 'Central' to 'the Star'. You'll need to pay $4.60 (in cash) after boarding the train.
</p>
<p>
Some hotels offer complimentary bus transfers to/from the airport - check with your hotel when booking.
</p><h4 id="money">Money</h4>
<p>
The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar" rel="noopener">Australian dollar (AUD)</a>. See <a href="http://www.oanda.com/currency/table?exch=AUD&sel_list=USD_EUR_GBP_JPY_NOK_SEK_NZD_CNY_TWD_KRW&value=1&format=HTML&redirected=1" title="http://www.oanda.com/currency/table?exch=AUD&sel_list=USD_EUR_GBP_JPY_NOK_SEK_NZD_CNY_TWD_KRW&value=1&format=HTML&redirected=1" rel="noopener">exchange rates</a>.
</p>
<p>
You should be able to use your credit card pretty much everywhere (especially Mastercard and Visa). Diners Club cards tend to attract a fee or not be accepted. Checks are not generally accepted.
</p><h4 id="electricity">Electricity</h4>
<p>
230V, 50Hz, 10A <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112" rel="noopener">flat, angled awesome pins</a>
</p>
<p>
<a href="/lib/exe/fetch.php?tok=2808b5&media=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F7%2F7a%2FAustralian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg" class="media" title="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg"><img src="/lib/exe/fetch.php?tok=2808b5&media=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F7%2F7a%2FAustralian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg" class="media" loading="lazy" title="australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg" alt="australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg" /></a>
</p>
<p>
Notice the small switch on the side. Unless you flip it on, don't expect the power socket to do much for you.
</p><h3 id="schedule">Schedule</h3><h4 id="monday-am">Monday AM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Web Compat challenges (tantek, Daniel to call in, rbyers leaving Mon)<ul>
<li class="level3 node">E.g. 0 vs 0deg:<ul>
<li class="level5"><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357" title="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357" rel="noopener">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357</a></li>
<li class="level5"><a href="https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703" title="https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703" rel="noopener">https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level3">How do we decide to fix browsers vs fix <abbr title="specification">spec</abbr>? Like for this 0 vs 0deg example.</li>
<li class="level3">How do we get browser vendors to report when they implement *new* quirks (presumably for web compat)?</li>
<li class="level3">How do we get member sites to stop depending on <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> vendor prefixes? (e.g. Gmail <a href="https://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/674620970523430914" title="https://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/674620970523430914" rel="noopener">“yelling at the internal teams”</a>)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Tables specification (Greg, François to call in)<ul>
<li class="level3">table header and footer repetition: <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html</a> (Florian)</li>
<li class="level3">Applying css-containment to table cells <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Colors<ul>
<li class="level3">Supported extended color displays: outside-sRGB colors, media queries etc. (smfr) Prefer Monday.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Transforms: path and obstacles to CR?</li>
</ul><h4 id="monday-pm">Monday PM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Writing Modes<ul>
<li class="level2"><a href="http://kojiishi.github.io/generate-w3c-implementation-report/css-writing-modes-3/status-2016-01.html" title="http://kojiishi.github.io/generate-w3c-implementation-report/css-writing-modes-3/status-2016-01.html" rel="noopener">test status</a> and the road to PR/REC [koji]</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Line-grid<ul>
<li class="level2"><a href="https://github.com/kojiishi/snap-height" title="https://github.com/kojiishi/snap-height" rel="noopener">Snap heights</a> – a simpler <a href="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-line-grid/" title="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-line-grid/" rel="noopener">Line Grid</a>? [koji]</li>
<li class="level2">inline-grid / character-grid: The MVP for good CJK layout <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1"><a href="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/" title="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/" rel="noopener">CSS Overflow</a> - open issues and how to fix them</li>
</ul><h4 id="tuesday-am">Tuesday AM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Houdini FPWD specs</li>
<li class="level1">A report on research into automatic layout (Bert). (Just before the ftf, I'll be in Melbourne to talk to, among others, researchers at Monash. I expect I'll come back with some interesting things to report on.) 30 mins? (Daniel and François to call in)</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Text<ul>
<li class="level3">Aligning table columns on decimal point and its variations, including <a href="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment" title="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment" rel="noopener">issue 18 in css-text-4 ED</a> and <a href="http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#tables" title="http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#tables" rel="noopener">tables section of dpub-latinreq ED</a>. Also discussed on list starting <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0233.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0233.html" rel="noopener">here</a> (Bert)(Dave C. would like to call in for this)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Round Display (Brad K to call in)<ul>
<li class="level3">Percentages of 'polar-distance' when origin is not the center of the containing block <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html</a> (jihye)</li>
<li class="level3">Polar positioning in absolute positioning <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html</a> (jihye, brad)</li>
<li class="level3">Using polar properties as <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> 3D transforms function <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html</a> (joone)</li>
<li class="level3">Suggest a new type of pseudo-class to support scrolling in rounded viewports <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html</a> (jihye)</li>
<li class="level3">Change device-radius to device-corner-radius in the <abbr title="specification">spec</abbr> <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Oct/0220.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Oct/0220.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Oct/0220.html</a> (hyojin)</li>
<li class="level3">Extension of @viewport rule - two types of viewport(inner/outer of the display shape) (hyojin)</li>
<li class="level3">Robustness of <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> on non rectangular displays <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level3">Revision of <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Round Display WD</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul><h4 id="tuesday-pm">Tuesday PM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1">Behavior of contains:paint and overflow:clip, text-overflow and resize properties (Ojan)</li>
<li class="level1 node">Font OM<ul>
<li class="level3">Status of <a href="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/" title="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/" rel="noopener">https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/</a> (smfr/dino/hober)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Text<ul>
<li class="level3">white-space: pre-wrap / pre-wrap-auto <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level3">text-wrap: balance and fragmentation <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Text Decorations (koji)<ul>
<li class="level2">text-underline-position <a href="https://readable-email.org/list/www-style/topic/css-text-decor-doesn-t-example-3-in-text-underline-position-break-current-ua-behavior" title="https://readable-email.org/list/www-style/topic/css-text-decor-doesn-t-example-3-in-text-underline-position-break-current-ua-behavior" rel="noopener">www-style thread</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Exclusions and bidi (koji, shane)<ul>
<li class="level3">Doesn't seem to be any specification prose describing the interaction.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Snap-points<ul>
<li class="level2">Applicability to pseudo-elements <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">Snappability of unreachable elements <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">indirect scrolling <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">Is this still relevant, or do snap-points cover its use cases <a href="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/" title="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/" rel="noopener">https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1">“bookmark-level: auto” Possible? Needed? <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level1">UAs behave differently (Webkit/Blink vs Gecko/Edge/AHF/Prince) for relative positioning and fragmentation: <a href="http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output" title="http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output" rel="noopener">http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output</a> (florian)</li>
</ul><h4 id="wednesday-am">Wednesday AM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1">Upcoming meetings</li>
</ul><h5 id="track-1">Track 1</h5>
<ul>
<li class="level1"><a href="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-4/" title="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-4/" rel="noopener">Fill/Stroke on CSS Text</a></li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://webkit.org/blog/164/background-clip-text/" title="https://webkit.org/blog/164/background-clip-text/" rel="noopener">background-clip:
text</a> (jet)</li>
<li class="level1 node">Text issues (<a href="http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/TEXT_SYDNEY_2016/" title="http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/TEXT_SYDNEY_2016/" rel="noopener">http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/TEXT_SYDNEY_2016/</a>) (Tav) <a href="https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+CSS+WG%22" title="https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+CSS+WG%22" rel="noopener">https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+CSS+WG%22</a><ul>
<li class="level2">'dominant-baseline'</li>
<li class="level2">Text wrapping</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Sizing</li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Alignment</li>
</ul><h5 id="track-2">Track 2</h5>
<ul>
<li class="level1">fast-tracking customized scrolling (shane)</li>
</ul><h4 id="wednesday-pm">Wednesday PM</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015OctDec/0021.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015OctDec/0021.html" rel="noopener">conflicting auto values in mask shorthand (mask-mode must not have auto)</a> (dbaron) (maybe an FX topic)</li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Transitions and Animations: path and obstacles to CR?</li>
<li class="level1 node">Filters: (Tav)<ul>
<li class="level2">Avoiding artifacts with lighting filters.</li>
<li class="level2">Status of Filters Level 1</li>
<li class="level2">Filters Level 2</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li class="level1">Investigation about JS <abbr title="Application Programming Interface">API</abbr> for realizing Level of Details (Proposals/Investigation_of_APIs_for_Level_of_detail) (Stakagi : I will arrive at noon. )</li>
</ul><h3 id="proposed-topics">Proposed topics</h3><h4 id="csswg">CSSWG</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Round Display<ul>
<li class="level3">Robustness of <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> on non rectangular displays <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level3">issues and new ideas - to be updated (hyojin)</li>
<li class="level3">Percentages of 'polar-distance' when origin is not the center of the containing block <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html</a> (jihye)</li>
<li class="level3">Polar positioning in absolute positioning <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html</a> (jihye, brad)</li>
<li class="level3">Suggest a new type of pseudo-class to support scrolling in rounded viewports <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html</a> (jihye)</li>
<li class="level3">Using polar properties as <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> 3D transforms function(joone). <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Text<ul>
<li class="level3">white-space: pre-wrap / pre-wrap-auto <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level3">text-wrap: balance and fragmentation <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level3">Aligning table columns on decimal point and its variations, including <a href="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment" title="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment" rel="noopener">issue 18 in css-text-4 ED</a> and <a href="http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#tables" title="http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/#tables" rel="noopener">tables section of dpub-latinreq ED</a>. Also discussed on list starting <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0233.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0233.html" rel="noopener">here</a> (Bert)(Dave C. would like to call in for this)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Tables specification (Greg)<ul>
<li class="level3">table header and footer repetition: <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html</a> (Florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1">A report on research into automatic layout (Bert). (Just before the ftf, I'll be in Melbourne to talk to, among others, researchers at Monash. I expect I'll come back with some interesting things to report on.) 30 mins?</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Text Decorations (koji)<ul>
<li class="level2">text-underline-position <a href="https://readable-email.org/list/www-style/topic/css-text-decor-doesn-t-example-3-in-text-underline-position-break-current-ua-behavior" title="https://readable-email.org/list/www-style/topic/css-text-decor-doesn-t-example-3-in-text-underline-position-break-current-ua-behavior" rel="noopener">www-style thread</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Writing Modes<ul>
<li class="level2"><a href="http://kojiishi.github.io/generate-w3c-implementation-report/css-writing-modes-3/status-2016-01.html" title="http://kojiishi.github.io/generate-w3c-implementation-report/css-writing-modes-3/status-2016-01.html" rel="noopener">test status</a> and the road to PR/REC [koji]</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Line-grid<ul>
<li class="level2"><a href="https://github.com/kojiishi/snap-height" title="https://github.com/kojiishi/snap-height" rel="noopener">Snap heights</a> – a simpler <a href="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-line-grid/" title="https://drafts.csswg.org/css-line-grid/" rel="noopener">Line Grid</a>? [koji]</li>
<li class="level2">inline-grid / character-grid: The MVP for good CJK layout <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net" title="http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net" rel="noopener">http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net</a> (florian)</li>
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<li class="level1 node">Colors<ul>
<li class="level3">Supported extended color displays: outside-sRGB colors, media queries etc. (smfr) Prefer Monday.</li>
</ul>
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<li class="level1 node">Font OM<ul>
<li class="level3">Status of <a href="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/" title="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/" rel="noopener">https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/</a> (smfr/dino/hober)</li>
</ul>
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<li class="level1"><a href="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/" title="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-overflow-3/" rel="noopener">CSS Overflow</a> - open issues and how to fix them</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Web Compat challenges (tantek)<ul>
<li class="level3 node">E.g. 0 vs 0deg:<ul>
<li class="level5"><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357" title="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357" rel="noopener">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234357</a></li>
<li class="level5"><a href="https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703" title="https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703" rel="noopener">https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=569703</a></li>
</ul>
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<li class="level3">How do we decide to fix browsers vs fix <abbr title="specification">spec</abbr>? Like for this 0 vs 0deg example.</li>
<li class="level3">How do we get browser vendors to report when they implement *new* quirks (presumably for web compat)?</li>
<li class="level3">How do we get member sites to stop depending on <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> vendor prefixes? (e.g. Gmail <a href="https://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/674620970523430914" title="https://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/674620970523430914" rel="noopener">“yelling at the internal teams”</a>)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Exclusions and bidi (koji, shane)<ul>
<li class="level3">Doesn't seem to be any specification prose describing the interaction.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1 node">Snap-points<ul>
<li class="level2">Applicability to pseudo-elements <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">Snappability of unreachable elements <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">indirect scrolling <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level2">Is this still relevant, or do snap-points cover its use cases <a href="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/" title="https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/" rel="noopener">https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="level1">“bookmark-level: auto” Possible? Needed? <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html</a> (florian)</li>
<li class="level1">Applying css-containment to table cells <a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html" rel="noopener">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
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Extra topics:
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<li class="level1 node"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr>-Break:<ul>
<li class="level2">UAs behave differently (Webkit/Blink vs Gecko/Edge/AHF/Prince) for relative positioning and fragmentation: <a href="http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output" title="http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output" rel="noopener">http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output</a> (florian)</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul><h4 id="fxtf-special-effects-task-force">FXTF(Special Effects Task Force)</h4>
<ul>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015OctDec/0021.html" title="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015OctDec/0021.html" rel="noopener">conflicting auto values in mask shorthand (mask-mode must not have auto)</a> (dbaron) (maybe an FX topic)</li>
<li class="level1"><a href="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-4/" title="http://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-4/" rel="noopener">Fill/Stroke on CSS Text</a></li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Transforms: path and obstacles to CR?</li>
<li class="level1"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> Transitions and Animations: path and obstacles to CR?</li>
<li class="level1"><a href="https://webkit.org/blog/164/background-clip-text/" title="https://webkit.org/blog/164/background-clip-text/" rel="noopener">background-clip:
text</a> (jet)</li>
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