--- title: "Seattle F2F Jan 11-13 2017" --- ## Seattle F2F Jan 11-13 2017 - Host: Microsoft - Location: South Lake Union Discovery Center - Address: [ 101 Westlake Avenue North, Seattle, WA 98109, US](https://www.google.com/maps/place/South+Lake+Union+Discovery+Center/@47.6189366,-122.3410077,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x54901549dc6fcfd1:0xe262adf9ad1e02f2!8m2!3d47.618933!4d-122.338819?hl=en ) - Dates: Wednesday–Friday, Jan 11-13 2017 - Times: 08:30 doors open, 09:00 meeting start, 18:00 meeting end (each day) - Weather: [⁰C](http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?smap=1&lat=47.621&lon=-122.338&unit=1&mp=1), [⁰F](http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?smap=1&lat=47.621&lon=-122.338&unit=0&mp=1) - Transit: From the airport you can take [Link rail](http://www.soundtransit.org/Schedules/Link-light-rail) to downtown, with Westlake being the stop closest to the venue ### Minutes - [2017-01-11 Part I: FX Breakout - Transforms, Whitespace in a custom property in a variable reference, Geometry Interfaces](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0048.html) - [2017-01-11 Part II: Text Breakout - Hyphenation, Text Decoration](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0049.html) - [2017-01-11 Part III: Text Breakout - Inline Layout & Initial Letter](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0050.html) - [2017-01-11 Part IV: CSS Color](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0051.html) - [2017-01-11 Part V: Backgrounds](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0052.html) - [2017-01-11 Part VI: Writings Modes, CSS Tables, Values & Units 4](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0053.html) - [2017-01-12 Part I: FX Breakout - Transforms [css-transforms](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0054.html)] - [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0055.html|2017-01-12 Part II: Text Breakout - Text Decoration, Step-Sizing/Rhythm [css-text-decoration] [css-rhythm]]] - [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0056.html|2017-01-12 Part III: Text Breakout - Line Grid, Block Step Sizing [css-line-grid] [css-rhythm]]] - [2017-01-12 Part IV: Font color palettes, Font rendering controls, Font loading, Tokyo F2F [css-fonts](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0057.html)] - [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0058.html|2017-01-12 Part V: CSS2.1, What can go to CR this quarter?, WPT, CSS UI 3 [CSS21] [CSS-UI-3]]] - [2017-01-13 Part I: Grid [css-grid](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0061.html)] - [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0059.html|2017-01-13 Part II: Scrolling, Sizing [css-overflow] [css-sizing]]] - [2017-01-13 Part III: Fetch and CSS Interactions, EXI for CSS, Display Module [css-inline](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0062.html)] - [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Feb/0060.html|2017-01-13 Part IV: Logical Properties, in content, SVG Integration, CSS 2.1, Snapshot [css-logical-props] [css-content] [CSS21] [CSS-2017]]] ### Adjacent meetings - 2017-01-10 [ Houdini in Seattle](https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/wiki/Seattle-F2F-Jan-10-2017) - 2017-01-13 6:25am [ November Project Seattle](https://www.facebook.com/NovemberProjectSeattle/) (outdoors exercise/workout) at [ Lake Union Park](http://j.mp/SouthLakeUnion) ### Group Dinner Jan 12, 2017, 7:00pm at [ Tanakasan](http://tanakasanseattle.com ) ### Place - South Lake Union Discovery Center - 101 Westlake Avenue North, Seattle, WA, 98109, United States ### Participants Please, put your name in this table if you plan to participate (alphabetical order): | Name | Arrival | Departure | Hotel | Flight info and notes | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Alan Stearns | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Andrey Rybka | 10 Jan | 13 Jan | Hyatt Place Downtown | UA 1792 / 5355 | | Bert Bos | 9 Jan 11:25 | 14 Jan 12:58 | Hyatt Place Seattle Downtown | DL143 / AF3653 | | Brad Werth | TBD | TBD | TBD | observer from Mozilla | | Dave Cramer | 10 Jan | 15 Jan | Hyatt | UA1641 / UA419 | | fantasai | 7 Jan | 13 Jan | AirBnB | AS via EWR | | Florian Rivoal | 10 Jan | 14 Jan | Airbnb | KE728+KE019 / KE020+KE271 | | Francois Remy | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Geoffrey Sneddon | 7 Jan | 14 Jan | Hyatt Place Seattle Downtown | FI431+FI681 / FI680+FI430 | | Greg Whitworth | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Hiroshi Sakakibara | 9 Jan 10:20 | 14 Jan 12:20 | Hyatt Place Seattle Downtown | NH0178 / NH0177 | | Ian Kilpatrick | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | | Jack Moffitt | TBD | Jan 12 | TBD | observer from Mozilla / Servo | | Jen Simmons | 9 Jan | 15 Jan | TBD | Delta | | Jet Villegas | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | | L. David Baron | 9 Jan 20:48 | 13 Jan 20:45 | TBD | UA1688 / AS300 | | Melanie Richards | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Myles C. Maxfield | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | | Peter Linss | 9 Jan 18:01 | 14 Jan 12:01 | AirBnB | UA5475 / UA5618 | | Rachel Andrew | 9 Jan | 15 Jan | TBD | out BA193 and BA2410, back BA48 | | Rachel Nabors | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Rossen Atanassov | n/a | n/a | home | n/a | | Shane Stephens | TBD | TBD | TBD | TBD | | Simon Fraser | 9 Jan | 13 Jan | Hotel Andra | Alaska 393 / Alaska 336 | | Simon Pieters | 9 Jan | 13 Jan | La Quinta Inn & Suites Seattle Downtown | FI 307 + FI 681 / FI 680 + FI 306 | | Steve Zilles | 10 Jan | 13 Jan | TBD | TBD | | Tab Atkins | tbd | tbd | Airbnb | tbd | | Tantek Çelik | 2017-01-10 | 2017-01-14 | La Quinta Inn & Suites Seattle Downtown | UA 5727 / UA 294 | Regrets: glazou, Jihye Hong, Brian Birtles ### Topics GitHub issues from [Agenda ftf Label](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/labels/Agenda%2B%20F2F) should be incorporated below #### Wednesday ##### Morning Track FX - [Transforms Level 1: All Open Issues](http://drafts.csswg.org/css-transforms-1/issues-wd-2013) - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/856|[css-transforms] Individual transform "scale" has interop issue]] - [Making transform-style actually work](https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1EtJuLsDpcJPQYGG18226FrQ-0vnonY_zHCxoNb_sVdE/edit?usp=drivesdk) - CSS Variables - [Whitespaces in serialization of custom property value](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/881) (jet) - Geometry Interfaces (smfr) ##### Morning Track Text - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/869|[css-text] Should 'hyphens: auto' work if lang="" is not declared?]] - [CSS Text Decoration L3: All Open Issues](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013) - Level 4? - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/843|[css-text-decor] selective toggling in the text-decoration-skip property]] - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/459|[css-text-decor] Text underlines' positions cannot be fine-tuned]] - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/239|[css-text-decor] No way to set the underline width/thickness]] - CSS Inline open issues (dauwhe) - [initial-letter in-flow or out-of-flow (preferred)?](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/743) (jet) - [how to make block with initial letter taller](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/719) (dauwhe) - [ initial-letter and float on same element ](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/688) (dauwhe) - [ relationship of initial-letter and float ](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/360) (dauwhe) - [ initial-letter line shortened when floats present ](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/689) (dauwhe) ##### Afternoon - 10 min per breakout summary - css-color: - What happens to rgb() etc with Working Color Spaces? a.k.a how are Working spaces working? https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/481 - Colorspaces and blending - when we can dictate working color space, what are impl plans to actually support blending in those spaces? (tab) - Computed and used values for values: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/pull/871 (Florian) - Interpolating between color spaces https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/883 - Animating to/from currentColor https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/873 (Florian) - [Specification for DCI P3](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/294) - `` - either adding to specs or removing from implementations [background-repeat-x/y](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/116) and [mask-repeat-x/y](https://github.com/w3c/fxtf-drafts/issues/99) (dbaron) - should we introduce a variant of `` without 3-value syntax for `tranform-origin` etc.? - CSS Writing Modes PR (koji) - Publish new Working Draft of css-tables? (fremy) - [CSS Values and Units L4](https://drafts.csswg.org/css-values-4/#changes) - Any other units people interested in adding? - Publish FPWD? #### Thursday ##### Morning Track FX - More Transforms issues? ##### Morning Track Text - More text decoration issues? - CSS Step Sizing (koji/fantasai) - FPWD? - Block height stepping idea. - Line Grid: Propose a simplification to line-grid lvl 1 https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/880 (Florian) ##### Afternoon - Fonts - Font Color Palettes (myles) - moving [css-font-display](https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/) into the WG (dbaron) - Meeting scheduling - Next F2F announcement (skk) - [summer meeting](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0061.html) location/dates? - Can we attempt 1 year-ish advance meeting planning (at least country/city and week) -t - CSS2 maintenance process (continuing from 2017-01-04 telcon discussion of proposal https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0015.html) -t - What can we take to CR in Q1 (and 2017 in total)? (continuing from CRs in 2016 discussion from TPAC) -t - csswg-test/web-platform-tests merge - Get an actual resolution to do the merge this month! - CSS-UI: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Jan/0019.html (Florian) #### Friday - Grid - [Implied Minimum Size of Grid Items](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/283) - [Percentages and intrinsic size](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/509) - Scrolling - [overflow: Consider reserving space for scrollbars with some property ](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/92)(added on 21 Dec Telecon) - [New feature - scroll-boundary-behavior (an extension of -ms-scroll-chaining)](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/769)(added on 21 Dec Telecon) - Sizing - [Intrinsic Sizes inside Percentage Containers](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/509) - CSS Sizing Level 3: remaining issues + CR? - [[https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/794|[css-sizing] Intrinsic size of replaced elements incorrect]] - CSS Display L3 - [Is root out-of-flow?](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0332.html) - [flow vs flow-root for table-cell/table-caption](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jul/0372.html) - [display: contents vs replaced elements](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/540) - [display: contents vs counter scopes](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/674) - [display values for and
](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/610) - [run-in vs ::first-letter](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/650) - [run-ins & interleaved abspos](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Aug/0257.html) - Cut for [immediate release](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0115.html)? Proposed to defer `display-or-not`, release with `run-in` at-risk. - CSS Generated and Replaced Content - [content: insufficiently defined](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/308) (dbaron) - [content: insufficiently defined](https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/821) (dbaron) - [EXI4CSS](https://www.w3.org/blog/2016/11/efficient-representation-for-web-formats/) - our feedback to the EXI WG - [CSS Fetch integration](https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Sep/0103.html) (dbaron) - Logical Properties - getComputedStyle and logical properties https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/384 (dbaron) #### Unslotted