CSS-Framework Meetings

[sfrisk]

To help with coordinating the framework, I vote we should schedule either a weekly or bi-weekly meeting, to be held in the jQuery IRC meeting channel with notes kept in http://meetings.jquery.org/. (That way if anyone can't make it one day, they can still see what is going on)

Does this work for everyone? If there is interest in starting a meeting, I can set up a Doodle to help narrow down the day/time.

[arschmitz]

+1

[cbracco]

👍

[jzaefferer]

There are a few slots open in the weekly schedule. A time close to noon EST will probably be good, since that is at least roughly compatible with office hours from PDT to GMT+1. If you stick to that and avoid slots already taken by other meetings, there is probably not much to pick from.

If you go with bi-weekly, Wednesday 1PM EST would work, every other week from the Dev Leads meeting. Also same time on Monday/Tuesday every week.

[arschmitz]

it looks like noon on Thursday and Friday is also open

[sfrisk]

Okay, I shall set up a doodle.

[sfrisk]

http://doodle.com/qezfyihbdmnz4cf2

[sfrisk]

I'm closing this doodle tomorrow, so vote now, or forever deal with whatever time ended up being the most popular.

[sfrisk]

I've closed the doodle. Looks like Tuesday at 1pm, EST time was the time everyone was the most available.

[jslegers]

@sfrisk :

to be held in the jQuery IRC meeting channel

Why IRC intead of Skype? I don't think I know anyone in my immediate environment who still uses IRC.

Most people use Skype these days, whereas I haven't seen any reason for using IRC in about a decade or so.

I've closed the doodle. Looks like Tuesday at 1pm, EST time was the time everyone was the most available.

You might want to send out this info to the mailing list. I'm not following this repo to avoid getting spammed every issue being posted here (and which allows me to have a life besides programming), but that also means that I was totally unaware of the meeting last Tuesday.

To be sure you're reaching out to everyone, it might be a good idea to send your information regarding the framework meetings to the mailinglist. I'd be surprised if I was the only one who was totally unaware of the meeting on Tuesday.

In fact, I would still be unaware of your plan to organise (bi-)weekly meetings, if you hadn't mentioned the meeting on Tuesday at #3 (comment).

[scottgonzalez]

Why IRC intead of Skype? I don't think I know anyone in my immediate environment who still uses IRC.

I know lots of people who don't use Skype too. In fact, I know people who can't use Skype because they use a Chromebook. On the other hand, jQuery projects, Grunt, Node.js, W3C, WHATWG, etc. all use IRC.

Most people use Skype these days, whereas I haven't seen any reason for using IRC in about a decade or so.

How about the fact that Skype calls cannot be joined without invitation and there are no tools for public logging?

You might want to send out this info to the mailing list.

What mailing list?

I'm not following this repo to avoid getting spammed every issue being posted here (and which allows me to have a life besides programming), but that also means that I was totally unaware of the meeting last Tuesday.

That's presumably an easily solvable problem on your end. If we move everything to a mailing list, not only is it disjoint from the code, thereby losing a lot of features, it would also be just as noisy.

To be sure you're reaching out to everyone, it might be a good idea to send your information regarding the framework meetings to the mailinglist. I'd be surprised if I was the only one who was totally unaware of the meeting on Tuesday.

Again, what mailing list? We can certainly send an email to the individuals who attended the original planning meeting on Skype, but that is far from a maintainable form of communication.

[jslegers]

On the other hand, jQuery projects, Grunt, Node.js, W3C, WHATWG, etc. all use IRC.

I thought IRC had become mostly obselete, much like ICQ. My mistake, I guess?!

How about the fact that Skype calls cannot be joined without invitation and there are no tools for public logging?

Valid points.

That's presumably an easily solvable problem on your end. If we move everything to a mailing list, not only is it disjoint from the code, thereby losing a lot of features, it would also be just as noisy.

I would expect anything organizational (meeting notes, polls, etc.) to be taken care of mostly via email and possibly a shared folder (eg. dropbox) for documentation.

I would expect feature requests, issue logs, demos or anything else code-related to be taken care of with the Github issues.

I don't like it when both mix. For me, that makes it a lot harder to keep an overview of things and read whatever's relevant whenever I need to read it.

I guess that's a matter of personal preference, though. As a random developer few people probably ever heard of, I don't expect my personal preference to be relevant and will align myself with whatever forms of communication you guys are using.

I suppose I'm just a bit frustrated that (1) I only just learnt about the meeting last Tuesday (and totally by accident!) because you guys changed your methods of communication without notifying everyone involved and that (2) I need to install an IRC client on both my Linux and my OSX dev environments if I want to be able to participate in all future meetings and (3) re-learn how to use IRC after more than a decade of not needing it.

I guess IRC is not as obsolete in the States as it has become here in Belgium? Or maybe I'm missing out on whole subculture? Beats me, to be honest...

What mailing list? We can certainly send an email to the individuals who attended the original planning meeting on Skype, but that is far from a maintainable form of communication.

I would prefer future communication to be in that same format, but I guess it's a matter of preference.

[scottgonzalez]

I would expect anything organizational (meeting notes, polls, etc.) to be taken care of mostly via email and possibly a shared folder (eg. dropbox) for documentation.

Meetings will be held in IRC and notes are stored in a publicly available Google Doc. Polls are almost certainly about features/ideas and therefore belong in GitHub. Documentation belongs in either a README, a wiki, or other site.

I suppose I'm just a bit frustrated that (1) I only just learnt about the meeting last Tuesday (and totally by accident!) because you guys changed your methods of communication without notifying everyone involved

We notified the world, via this GitHub issue.

and that (2) I need to install an IRC client on both my Linux and my OSX dev environments if I want to be able to participate in all future meetings

You don't need to install anything. You can very easily use a webchat.

and (3) re-learn how to use IRC after more than a decade of not needing it.

It's as simple as typing a message and pressing enter. You have no need for any features beyond that in order to participate in meetings.

[jslegers]

Meetings will be held in IRC and notes are stored in a publicly available Google Doc.

Good to know!

We notified the world, via this GitHub issue.

I expected to be notified via mail, as in the past. It's confusing when people change their methods of communication without notification to those who rely on the old way.

I know now. I'll adapt.

You don't need to install anything. You can very easily use a webchat.

I'll consider that.

As I said, it's been more than a decade since I last used IRC or had any reason to use it. So it's only logical that I'm totally ignorant on any changes and/or additions to IRC channels and/or clients during the last decades. Please excuse my ignorance on this matter.

It's as simple as typing a message and pressing enter. You have no need for any features beyond that in order to participate in meetings.

It used to be a lot harder to use IRC... which is why (if I remember correctly) it used to be almost exclusively used by übergeeks who had a programming background... and which is why everyone I know personally moved on to Skype, Google Circles, Facebook chat, Cisco videoconferencing and other more modern forms of communication. It's even been ages ago since I noticed people mention IRC here in Belgium.

But again, I'll adapt. Again, excuse my ignorance. I'm pretty much a guest here, so it's only logical that I adapt to whatever standards of communication and collaboration you guys are using.

[sfrisk]

Actually you were sent an email. Two, in fact. One from @arschmitz two weeks before the first meeting that mentioned a weekly meeting was in the works, and one from myself three days ago that included a link to the meeting notes, the meeting time, and inviting you to join the next meeting. That's in addition to posting this call for a meeting discussion, over two weeks ago. I placed the meeting far enough in the future of the original discussion in attempt to have as many people as possible find out about it and weigh in on the time. I'm sorry that the emails apparently didn't get through to you, however you're welcome to join in on our next meeting on Tuesday.

If you would like more information on jQuery's IRC channels, you can find it at http://irc.jquery.org/. Development discussions regarding the css framework can be found in #jqueryui-dev (for now) and our meetings are in #jquery-meeting on Freenode.