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| johndoigiii | mecredis, http://code.google.com/p/django-trackback/ | 05:05 |
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| johndoigiii | this might help in your spec design for the cc.net webcitation | 05:07 |
| mecredis | nice | 05:10 |
| mecredis | I was looking at http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/docs/trackback_spec | 05:10 |
| mecredis | but this should make it easier | 05:10 |
| mecredis | I take it we're using django? | 05:11 |
| mecredis | johndoigiii: | 05:11 |
| johndoigiii | yes, sorry | 05:11 |
| johndoigiii | this django app supposedly is built according to the sixapart specs | 05:12 |
| mecredis | nice | 05:12 |
| mecredis | yeah, I think the biggest PITA remaining will be that and the HTML cache | 05:14 |
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| johndoigiii | ha, had to look up that accronym | 05:21 |
| johndoigiii | well worth it | 05:21 |
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| mecredis | heh | 05:41 |
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| mecredis | johndoigiii: what do you think about trackbacks being in the prototype? | 17:30 |
| johndoigiii | hey, yeah I am not opposed to it | 17:32 |
| mecredis | Ok I'll put it in the spec | 17:32 |
| johndoigiii | I think that would be one of the most impressive features of the citations | 17:32 |
| mecredis | from my limited understanding of the django plugin, it doesn't look as painful as it could be | 17:32 |
| mecredis | yeah, it completes the loop | 17:32 |
| mecredis | and in the future could be very useful for metrics | 17:33 |
| johndoigiii | yeah, they did the hard stuff, designing inline with six apart's protocol standards/specs | 17:33 |
| mecredis | the "cream of the crop" cc stat | 17:33 |
| mecredis | is how many lawyer hours we've saved | 17:33 |
| mecredis | or rather, how frequently works get reused | 17:34 |
| mecredis | and transaction costs decreased | 17:34 |
| mecredis | so if we can have a baseline guess based on TrackBacks | 17:34 |
| mecredis | it'll be better than just guessing at how people behave on flickr | 17:34 |
| johndoigiii | my only concern is what happens if something goes viral | 17:34 |
| mecredis | and we get slammed? | 17:35 |
| johndoigiii | yeah | 17:35 |
| mecredis | yeah, and trackbacks can slow other user's wordpress blogging | 17:35 |
| johndoigiii | realistically, I don't think its something to worry about | 17:35 |
| mecredis | no, its a real limitation on the protocol | 17:35 |
| mecredis | if I blog about something *super* popular | 17:36 |
| mecredis | then the performance of *my blog* when saving the post is affected | 17:36 |
| mecredis | but yeah | 17:36 |
| mecredis | a good problem to have | 17:36 |
| johndoigiii | ha yea | 17:36 |
| johndoigiii | mecredis is sent you an email re: python/django | 17:37 |
| mecredis | yeah, thanks | 17:37 |
| johndoigiii | np | 17:37 |
| mecredis | basically the route I was thinking | 17:37 |
| mecredis | I've heard lots of raves about django | 17:37 |
| mecredis | I tried cake for php | 17:37 |
| mecredis | and could not get into it | 17:37 |
| johndoigiii | yeah, same here | 17:37 |
| mecredis | so kind of have a bad taste in my mouth for web frameworks | 17:37 |
| mecredis | but cool | 17:38 |
| johndoigiii | mecredis, can I ask a quick q about the prototype? | 17:40 |
| mecredis | sure | 17:40 |
| johndoigiii | http://labs.creativecommons.org/~fred/citation_example.html | 17:40 |
| mecredis | mm, realizing that maybe shouldn't be public | 17:41 |
| mecredis | no worries | 17:41 |
| mecredis | don't want to promise too much | 17:41 |
| mecredis | anyway, shoot | 17:41 |
| johndoigiii | "Darwin Bell" is that the Flickr user? or someone on CC.net? | 17:41 |
| mecredis | flickr | 17:41 |
| johndoigiii | ok | 17:41 |
| mecredis | cited user is "mecredis" | 17:41 |
| mecredis | err, citing | 17:41 |
| johndoigiii | ahh, so say I have a 'free' account and I want to cite my own flickr work | 17:42 |
| mecredis | right | 17:42 |
| johndoigiii | so I claim the owner as my flickr identity or my cc.net account? | 17:43 |
| mecredis | this is what I was trying to get across yesterday | 17:43 |
| mecredis | the notion of "claiming" a work that's been cited | 17:43 |
| mecredis | ideally we'd do OAuth in the same way we do one-way registrations | 17:43 |
| mecredis | and CCN would be aware of users who have authorized their flickr accounts and also have citations | 17:44 |
| mecredis | and indicate as much | 17:44 |
| mecredis | but, as I see it, we won't allow users to "claim" a work unless they join as premium | 17:44 |
| mecredis | am I answering your question? | 17:45 |
| johndoigiii | yes | 17:45 |
| mecredis | CCN should have a list of CCN users who have OAuth'd their Flickr accounts | 17:46 |
| mecredis | and every time a citation comes in | 17:46 |
| mecredis | check | 17:46 |
| johndoigiii | but what if I can technically prove myself as the owner of a work, such as a personal blog | 17:46 |
| mecredis | interesting | 17:47 |
| johndoigiii | and I've already registered it as a work, but want to gain the features available by citing it | 17:47 |
| mecredis | right right | 17:47 |
| mecredis | I guess that would depend on the reciprocal metadata dance | 17:47 |
| mecredis | or we could make it that way | 17:47 |
| johndoigiii | oops I meant "can't" 2 messages back | 17:47 |
| mecredis | oh I see | 17:47 |
| mecredis | so you're a free user | 17:48 |
| mecredis | so you can't register works | 17:48 |
| mecredis | no you're a premium user | 17:48 |
| johndoigiii | yeah I am a prem user | 17:48 |
| mecredis | I guess the CCN "figuring out" who you are is luxury at best | 17:49 |
| johndoigiii | like cc.net/lessig has his blog registered, but maybe he wants to see how others are using his work with the tracebacks and manually added reusers | 17:49 |
| mecredis | yeah, which is why registrations and citations should offer the same features | 17:49 |
| johndoigiii | ahhh I see, okay | 17:49 |
| mecredis | but be semantically distinct in that citations can be for any object on the public web | 17:50 |
| mecredis | and registrations are pre-claimed in a sense | 17:50 |
| greg-g | mecredis: that page is hot | 17:59 |
| mecredis | hahaha | 17:59 |
| mecredis | MY COVER IS BLOW | 17:59 |
| mecredis | n | 17:59 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:59 |
| mecredis | but yeah, my title is now product manager | 17:59 |
| mecredis | so glad you like it | 17:59 |
| mecredis | :) | 17:59 |
| mecredis | of course now the pressure is on johndoigiii not me | 18:00 |
| johndoigiii | lol | 18:00 |
| greg-g | hah | 18:01 |
| akozak | hey greg-g | 18:03 |
| greg-g | hi akozak | 18:03 |
| akozak | sorry about the delay in the sakai document | 18:03 |
| greg-g | akozak: no worries, I've been pretty busy lately | 18:04 |
| akozak | ditto :) | 18:04 |
| mecredis | nkinkade: does teamspace allow full html | 18:06 |
| mecredis | ? | 18:06 |
| mecredis | ala http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting#HTML | 18:06 |
| mecredis | $wgRawHtml = true; | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: I'm not sure. Are you saying that it doesn't? | 18:07 |
| mecredis | it doesn't seem to | 18:07 |
| mecredis | not a big deal | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | Should it? | 18:07 |
| mecredis | I'm just writing some example HTML code | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | I can do that setting of you need it. | 18:07 |
| mecredis | and I'd like to link using RDFa, etc. | 18:07 |
| mecredis | and <a href="" etc | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | Do you want me to add that setting? | 18:07 |
| mecredis | let's try it | 18:07 |
| mecredis | if you don't mind | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | Give it a shot now. I added that config you specified. | 18:09 |
| mecredis | great thanks | 18:12 |
| mecredis | it works | 18:12 |
| mecredis | :) | 18:12 |
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| akozak | does this mean we can add flashing text to the wiki | 18:14 |
| akozak | hold my calls! | 18:14 |
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| johndoigiii | akozak, <marquee> | 18:21 |
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| akozak | haha | 18:25 |
| greg-g | love it | 18:28 |
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| mecredis_ | johndoigiii: what do you think about this | 18:47 |
| mecredis_ | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/CC_Network/Webcitation_Specification/Prototype | 18:47 |
| johndoigiii | reading it now | 18:50 |
| mecredis_ | hrm, need to add ac ouple things to the view section | 18:52 |
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| johndoigiii | where does the javascript Bookmarklet reside, on the original work's homepage, like a flickr photo page? | 18:53 |
| mecredis_ | no, on browser bar | 18:53 |
| mecredis_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet | 18:53 |
| mecredis_ | let me find a good example | 18:54 |
| mecredis_ | http://bit.ly/ | 18:55 |
| mecredis_ | see the upper right column | 18:55 |
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| johndoigiii | ohh okay cool | 18:58 |
| mecredis_ | ideally, ccMoz would handle it lateron | 18:59 |
| johndoigiii | good idea | 19:00 |
| mecredis_ | we can basically hijack bitly's probably | 19:01 |
| mecredis_ | javascript:var%20d=document,w=window,enc=encodeURIComponent,e=w.getSelection,k=d.getSelection,x=d.selection,s=(e?e():(k)?k():(x?x.createRange().text:0)),s2=((s.toString()=='')?s:('%22'+enc(s)+'%22')),f='http://bit.ly/',l=d.location,p='?v=3&u='+enc(l.href)%20+'&s='+enc(d.title)+'%20'+s2,u=f+p;try{if(!/^(.*\.)?tumblrzzz[^.]*$/.test(l.host))throw(0);tstbklt();}catch(z){a%20=function(){if(!w.open(u))l.href=u;};if(/Firefox/.test(navi | 19:01 |
| mecredis_ | totally unclear, of course, the copyright status of such code | 19:02 |
| johndoigiii | ha yeah, heres what I used for the one I just tested... | 19:02 |
| johndoigiii | javascript:window.location="https://creativecommons.net/cite?"+window.location; | 19:02 |
| johndoigiii | if you remove the '?' you'll see that it passes the url of the page you are currently viewing | 19:03 |
| mecredis_ | yep | 19:03 |
| johndoigiii | that would be a really cool feature | 19:03 |
| johndoigiii | yeah I think the specs look good | 19:03 |
| mecredis_ | great | 19:03 |
| mecredis_ | just thought if we really wanted to URL shortening | 19:04 |
| mecredis_ | we could just use bit.ly's API | 19:04 |
| mecredis_ | but not a priority | 19:04 |
| mecredis_ | cool, well I'll run it by nathan and see if we can get it set up in a project tracker | 19:11 |
| johndoigiii | alrighty | 19:11 |
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| Bovinity | mecredis_: did anything ever come of the outreach@cc.org discussion? | 19:31 |
| mecredis_ | Bovinity: I think I eventually decided our efforts were sufficient | 19:31 |
| mecredis_ | and that we didn't need to add another way | 19:32 |
| Bovinity | hmm, ok | 19:32 |
| Bovinity | sounds good | 19:32 |
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