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| Phoxis | can i re license a work with CC attribution sharealike to non-commertial ? | 12:43 |
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| Phoxis | any one? | 12:54 |
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| paroneayea | morning #cc | 15:11 |
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| paroneayea | hey, sphinx is pretty easy. | 16:42 |
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| paulproteus | Oh, that's good to hear, paroneayea. | 17:53 |
| paulproteus | I personally despise reStructruredText. | 17:53 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: really? | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | why's that | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | I can never figure it out, and the official documentation is so technical as to be unfriendly. | 18:06 |
| paulproteus | Like most people feel about git. | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | Is "* lala" enough for a bulleted list? | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | I wish it were just MediaWiki syntax. | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | I'm already forced to learn that. | 18:07 |
| paroneayea | heh | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | yeah the docs are not very good | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | my main issue with it is that hyperlinks are ugly | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | `link name <http://example.org/link/url/>`_ is just not acceptable | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | I don't mind much else about it | 18:13 |
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| paulproteus | Yeah, that does suck. | 18:16 |
| paroneayea | I like orgmode's syntax | 18:22 |
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| paroneayea | I also like html though | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | maybe people should just use html more often. | 18:25 |
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| JED3 | what about markdown? | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | just run it through a whitelist filter to clean up html | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | I used markdown, seemed okay. The docs also suck with that too | 18:26 |
| JED3 | yeah | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | every markup language sucks, some just suck more | 18:26 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: I definitely agree with you on the docs for ReST sucking | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do we have a policy for adding languages to Pootle that simply don't have a defined ISO 639-1 code? | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | Ignasi wants me to add a few new ones for CC Spain, one of which is Asturian, which apparently on has 639-{2,3} codes ... "ast" | 18:39 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i don't know if we have a "policy" :) | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | I figured, but what should I do, in other words? | 18:42 |
| nathany | i suppose if all we have is a 639-{2,3} code, we use that | 18:42 |
| nathany | (with a country qualifier?) | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | ? | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | es_AST??? | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | Does that make sense? | 18:43 |
| nathany | i was thinking ast_es | 18:43 |
| nathany | since it's language-country | 18:43 |
| nathany | (er, ast_ES?) | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. | 18:44 |
| akozak | nkinkade, can you remind me the parameter i need to run ionice with so that i don't stall a6 when I cp the DiscoverEd index? | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | I guess. It would appear that notating languages in fairly non-trivial. There are multiple (long) RFCs on the subject. | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | ionice -c3 | 18:45 |
| akozak | oop, sorry to interrupt | 18:45 |
| akozak | ok thanks | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | akozak: a6 did go down last night at least once. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | I came "this" close to suspending your crawl. | 18:46 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea, I hope that didn't mess up the crawl that was running | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | akozak: It was the crawl that caused the problem. | 18:46 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I thought it was Ok to run the crawl without ionice? | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I don't know, apparently not. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | I got texted at 4AM and all web services were down and your crawl job seemed to be the cause from what I could tell. | 18:47 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ok, that's good to know. do you think running it with ionice would fix that? | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | It might have been that in combination with something else, I'm not sure. | 18:48 |
| akozak | nkinkade, whatever tips you have that i could add into the documentation would be helpful | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Probably, because the disc wait status in top was around 80%, and I suspect that Apache was waiting in line for disc access and not getting it quickly enough. | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | Is there more than one disc on that machine? | 18:49 |
| akozak | i have no idea | 18:49 |
| akozak | I suppose I ought to know... | 18:49 |
| nkinkade | Looks like no. | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | I was thinking that we could have the crawl write to a different disc. | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | We haven't had a problem before so I guess we can just play it by ear. | 18:51 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ok sounds good | 18:51 |
| akozak | noticed you a link to the working documentation page if you're interested in taking a look | 18:51 |
| akozak | nkinkade, there's a way to set all command priorities right? like,setting ionice -c3 ahead of time so that everything you do runs at that priority. | 18:53 |
| akozak | if so, maybe we should add that into the env.sh script | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps if you put that in your .bash_profile or something, but ionice can only be run by root. | 18:53 |
| akozak | well, I think you need root to run the crawl anyways | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus wrote a small problem called ionicer that will let regular users ionice something. | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | he wrote a small problem? | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | If you're running the crawls as root anyway then don't worry about ionicer. | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | *program :-) | 18:54 |
| paroneayea | I was going to say, that's not a very nice thing to say :) | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | Just precede the crawl command with $ sudo ionice -c3 | 18:55 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I was just thinking of ways to make it more streamlined so that every step didn't have to be ioniced | 18:55 |
| akozak | but it isn't a big deal | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Are you manually running each step? | 18:55 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | Why not create a shell script that does it for you? | 18:55 |
| akozak | nkinkade, mostly because I'm still getting familiar with the process and each step takes so long, it'd be nice to check in after each one | 18:56 |
| akozak | the crawl took 18 hours | 18:56 |
| akozak | and the aggregation takes at least 8 | 18:56 |
| akozak | but maybe we should just move it all to one script | 18:57 |
| akozak | or I should | 18:57 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 19:45 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 19:50 |
| paroneayea | sup | 19:50 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: hey does cc.engine.git render deeds? | 19:50 |
| paroneayea | yes | 19:50 |
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| akozak | This is weird: I'll do screen -r and get "WriteMessage: Bad file descriptor", but then doing it a second time works fine. | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | :o | 21:01 |
| akozak | paroneayea, do you if there's a way to display the version of a currently installed package with apt? | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | dpkg -l "package" | 21:02 |
| akozak | ah ok thanks | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | dpkg -l "*package*" if you don't remember the filename :) | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | er, | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | the package name | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | ok not useful, just mean it has globbing | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | my brain is broken, what happened | 21:19 |
| greg-g | akozak: or "apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME" | 21:22 |
| greg-g | shows not only what is installed but also available versions in the repositories you have in sources.list | 21:22 |
| akozak | oooh, thanks greg-g | 21:23 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: :o | 21:23 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: yeah, I suppose you actually know something about packaging/apt/deb :) | 21:24 |
| paroneayea | all i know is "apt-get install" "apt-get remove" "dpkg -l" "apt-cache search" | 21:24 |
| paroneayea | well a little bit more | 21:24 |
| paroneayea | but hey they're having a talk on packaging at the local python usergroup tonight, maybe I will become less ignorant | 21:25 |
| paroneayea | that's on my todo list: stop being ignorant about debian packaging | 21:25 |
| akozak | greg-g, I have another question for you: do you know of a Joomla CC plugin that gets RDFa right? | 21:26 |
| akozak | or that implements ccrel | 21:26 |
| akozak | One of our SJ 2.0 teachers is using a suboptimal Joomla plugin for her class | 21:26 |
| greg-g | akozak: not sure, actually | 21:28 |
| akozak | ok, I'll look around some more | 21:29 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: I know a little bit, I haven't actually done any packaging. paulproteus is the packaging master, as he is a DD :) | 21:29 |
| * paulproteus blinks innocently. | 21:30 | |
| paroneayea | yes I saw such posts in asheesh's blog | 21:32 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Debian packaging ... at least doing it right, is non-trivial from what I know. | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | I looked into a while back and was going to start teaching myself, but got bogged down and then sidetracked. | 21:44 |
| paroneayea | yeah my understanding is that you really need to know a libarary/application to package it well | 21:46 |
| greg-g | there are mentors available in both Debian and Ubuntu communities | 21:47 |
| greg-g | not that I can talk, I did the same thing. <read read read read read, type type type, crash boom, read read, type type, kinda working, read read, give up> :) | 21:48 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: should there be a deploy script for paste in the buildout of cc.engine.git? | 21:50 |
| JED3 | err WebOb*** | 21:50 |
| paroneayea | assuming you've already run buildout right? | 21:51 |
| paroneayea | ./bin/paster serve cc.engine.ini --reload | 21:51 |
| JED3 | yeah, i buildout didnt create a paster script though | 21:51 |
| paroneayea | :O | 21:51 |
| JED3 | thats what i'm asking :) | 21:51 |
| paroneayea | answer is yes, it should have done that | 21:51 |
| paroneayea | did it build out successfully? | 21:51 |
| paroneayea | I've never seen it not generate the paster script.. | 21:52 |
| JED3 | hmm yes, buildout appeared to have succeeded | 21:52 |
| paroneayea | wtfternets | 21:53 |
| * paroneayea re-building out to test | 21:53 | |
| paroneayea | hey you're right | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | it no longer adds the paster script | 21:54 |
| JED3 | ahh | 21:54 |
| JED3 | so i'm not crazy | 21:54 |
| paroneayea | ooohhh | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | I might know why. | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | okay. | 21:55 |
| paroneayea | one sec.. I have a fix. | 21:56 |
| JED3 | i think you might need to tweak the entry_points in your setup py file | 21:56 |
| paroneayea | no, it's because I added eggs= to buildout.cfg :P | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | I wanted to add a dependency that only applied to development | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | but I was a fool | 21:57 |
| JED3 | haha | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | fetch and build out now. | 21:58 |
| JED3 | k | 21:58 |
| JED3 | cool, is master safe? | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | as you will notice, there is nothing useful at /, and everything is bland as I haven't incorporated javascript, html, css | 22:04 |
| paroneayea | but it works and etc :) | 22:04 |
| JED3 | nice. i know have a substantial bin directory, thanks! | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | np :) | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | thanks for pointing out the bug I made today! | 22:13 |
| JED3 | ha my pleasure | 22:13 |
| JED3 | i'm trying to test something with metadata_scraper but I can't get the old cc.engine to run any longer | 22:13 |
| JED3 | I did something to lxml a week or two ago and now anything with xslt in cc.engine cause's the process to segfault | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | :O | 22:14 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, were having a conf call on the askterisk number, but when we dialed in it said there were 5 people on the line... and only jane and tim were there. | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | Conf line #1? | 22:34 |
| akozak | yea | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | Probably SIP clients that never disconnected or left orphan connections. | 22:34 |
| akozak | hmm ok. so that doesn't cost us anything right? | 22:35 |
| nkinkade | Seems like Asterisk would clean those up, but perhaps some people have them still connected. | 22:35 |
| nkinkade | Software SIP clients are free. | 22:35 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Oh, the call is still going on? | 22:37 |
| akozak | yea sorry | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | That was me who just tried to get in. | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | I went back out, though. | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | User #: 12 cc Christopher Webber Channel: SIP/cc-01e1ab20 (unmonitored) 366:33:04 | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | User #: 18 cc Nathan Kinkade Channel: SIP/cc-01e20350 (unmonitored) 198:39:46 | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | User #: 40 cc Nathan Kinkade Channel: SIP/cc-01f1f430 (unmonitored) 30:13:24 | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, that was ugly. | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | But it shows paroneayea in there and me twice. | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | I'm still logged in on my desktop machine | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | but I have not called anyone | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It thinks you're still on conf line #1 | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | And it thinks I'm in there twice. | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | wtf | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | maybe that's why I couldn't connect earlier | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | hold on, gonna kill ekiga | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | killed | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | how about now | 22:42 |
| akozak | We heard 3 exits | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I already kicked you out forcefully before you had a chance to kill Ekiga. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Yeah, I booted paroneayea and in a feat of contortionism, kicked myself twice. | 22:45 |
| paroneayea | kicked me out forcefully? So violent! | 22:45 |
| akozak | haha | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It indicated that you were in that conf line for about 336 hours. | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | haha | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe that was minutes? | 22:46 |
| akozak | We were joking that they were moles :) | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | No appears it was hours. | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | 366:37:51 | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | You were in conf line #1 for more than 2 weeks. | 22:47 |
| akozak | haha | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | I better check our Flowroute account. :-) | 22:47 |
| akozak | impressive uptime | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | (but I think it was just Asterisk holding on to it when nobody was really there) | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | hmm | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | sorry! | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | if I am at fault | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | although I can't see how i would be | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | since I killed ekiga and restarted it when testing w/ nkinkade yesterday | 22:50 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: There were no minutes being used by those orphan participants in the conf line. | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | I'm just not sure why Asterisk held on to them. | 22:55 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: good, glad to hear :) | 23:34 |
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