===== Sydney F2F February 2015 =====
* Host: Google
* Dates: Monday-Wednesday, February 09-11, 2015 (with SVG on Wednesday or at least Wednesday morning)
* Times: Doors will open from 8:30am. Meeting can run from 9:00am - 6:30pm as required.
==== Meeting Minutes ====
**Monday, 9 February:**
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0185.html|Part I]], CSS 2.1 Issues, Font Loading API
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0186.html|Part II]], Selectors, Text Level 4
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0187.html|Part III]], Sizing, Text
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0188.html|Part IV]], Writing Modes, Multi-line/Block Ellipsis
**Tuesday, 10 February:**
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0313.html|Part I]], Rounded Displays
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0314.html|Part II]], CSS UI
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0315.html|Part III]], CSS Inline
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0316.html|Part IV]], Page Floats, @extend
* [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Mar/0317.html|Part V]],
==== Contacts ====
==== Participants ====
Please, put your name in this table if you plan to participate (alphabetical order):
^ Name ^ Arrival ^ Departure ^ Hotel ^ Flight info and notes ^
| Tab Atkins | ??? | ??? | airbnb | ??? |
| L. David Baron | 5 Feb | 14 Feb | Travelodge Hotel Sydney | ANZ 7/101, ANZ 104 |
| Rick Byers | 3 Feb | 12 Feb | Novotel | UA 863, UA 870 |
| Tantek Çelik | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | UA 863, UA 870 |
| Dave Cramer | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | QF 8 / QF 7, also Project Houdini |
| fantasai | 8 Feb| 15 Feb | airbnb | NZ9791+NZ5+NZ103 / NZ102+NZ14+NZ9005 |
| Daniel Glazman | 4 Feb | 12 Feb | 1888 | KE121 / QF021, also Project Houdini |
| Dean Jackson | ??? | ??? | ??? | Probably via land not air |
| Toru Kawakubo | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Ibis Sydney Darling Harbor | QF 22 / QF 21 |
| Ian Kilpatrick | - | - | - | - |
| Chris Lilley | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | Y Hyde Park | BA 345/CX 254/CX 111, CX 100/CX 237/BA 346 |
| Peter Linss | 5 Feb | 15 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbor | UA 863 / UA 870 |
| Shinyu Murakami | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Ibis Sydney Darling Harbor | QF 22 / QF 21 |
| Robert O'Callahan | ? | ? | ? | Observer from Mozilla (Houdini, CSS, SVG) |
| Xidorn Quan | ??? | ??? | ??? | Observer from Mozilla |
| Florian Rivoal | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | airbnb | AY0656+AY5811+KE704+KE121, KE122+KE721 |
| Simon Sapin | 3 Feb | 16 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbor | EK 414 / EK 415 |
| Alan Stearns | 6 Feb | 16 Feb | ??? | DL 17 / DL 16 |
| Shane Stephens | - | - | - | - |
| Simon Pieters | 8 Feb | 10 Feb | ibis Sydney Darling Harbour | QF 8414 / QF 8413 |
| Jet Villegas | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| Ian Vollick | ??? | ??? | ??? | ??? |
| Greg Whitworth | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | ??? | DL |
| Cameron McCormack | ??? | ??? | ??? | Observer from Mozilla |
| Rossen Atanassov | 6 Feb | 19 Feb | airbnb | DL |
| Andrey Rybka | 6 Feb | 15 Feb | Novotel Sydney Darling Harbour | UA |
| Johannes Wilm | 7 Feb | 12 Feb | Sydney Darling Harbour Hotel | KL 1132/KL 0809/KL 4079, KL 4104/KL 0810/KL 1125 |
| Steve Zilles | 6 Feb | 11 Feb | Meriton Serviced Apartments Kent Street | VA 992, JL0772 |
| Hyojin Song | 8 Feb | 12 Feb | Novotel Rockford Darling Harbour | KE121 / KE122 (LG Electronics) |
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=== Visa Requirements ====
A visa is required for US Citizens to enter Australia (citizens of other countries please check with the appropriate authorities), a visa may be obtained electronically from the [[http://www.eta.immi.gov.au/|Electronic Travel Authority web site]].
==== Travel to/from airport ====
A taxi from the airport to the meeting venue or any of the listed hotels will cost between $30 and $50, depending on traffic. There's generally only a short wait to get a taxi, and a fairly orderly queue. This is probably the most convenient, and also the cheapest if you share with others...
If staying in Chinatown, the [[http://www.airportlink.com.au/directions/sydney-city.php|airport train line]] is reasonably convenient. A one-way ticket is $16.40. If you're staying in Pyrmont, you can still take the train, then jump on the [[http://www.sydneylightrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/|light rail]] from 'Central' to 'the Star'. You'll need to pay $4.60 (in cash) after boarding the train.
Some hotels offer complimentary bus transfers to/from the airport - check with your hotel when booking.
==== Hotels ====
Please note that I don't have any direct experience of these hotels! If you've stayed in one before (looking at you, Tab), chime in and recommend.
There are some close but expensive hotels:
* [[http://www.1888hotel.com.au/|1888]] has a reputation as being a great boutique hotel. Rooms seem to be ~$240 per night for stays of 2 nights or more.
* [[http://www.novoteldarlingharbour.com.au/|Novotel]] is a reasonable international hotel. Rooms are ~$280 per night.
* [[http://www.ibis.com/gb/hotel-1757-ibis-sydney-darling-harbour/index.shtml|Ibis]] is also close by.
There are also a number of decent cheaper hotels in China town. These are further away (~20 minute walk from the office) - note that there is a light rail line from this area to the office. Services depart every 10 minutes during peak and a return ticket (which can be purchased on the train) is $6.40.
* [[http://www.metrohotels.com.au/hotels/new-south-wales/aspire-hotel-sydney/welcome/|Aspire]] is about $130 a night.
* [[http://www.metrohotels.com.au/hotels/new-south-wales/metro-hotel-sydney-central/welcome/|Metro hotel]] is around $160 (more on the weekends).
* [[http://www.rydges.com/accommodation/sydney-nsw/capitol-square-sydney/welcome/|Capitol Square Rydges]] is also about $160.
I had a reasonable amount of success looking for cheaper rates (in many cases at these same hotels) on booking.com.
==== Airbnb ====
* Tab [[https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/5023154?euid=a959e31e-64af-6dd8-7d21-ae0323570d39|just booked one]],
It can host 6 people, and 6 people have expressed interest.
* Tab Atkins: Feb 4 to 13 (I'm here longer than all of y'all)
* Tantek Çelik Feb 8 to 12 (departing that day)
* Rossen Atanassov: Feb 6 to 12
* Dave Cramer: Feb 7 to 12
* Florian Rivoal: Feb 8 to 12
* Fantasai
==== Other ====
=== Network ===
The GoogleGuest network will be available throughout the building. No password is required.
=== Money ===
Its plastic. No, not that sort of plastic. Being able to swim and paper money are fundamentally incompatible. Side note: **do not iron the money**
More seriously, it's the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar|Australian dollar (AUD)]]. See [[http://www.oanda.com/currency/table?exch=AUD&sel_list=USD_EUR_GBP_JPY_NOK_SEK_NZD_CNY_TWD_KRW&value=1&format=HTML&redirected=1|exchange rates]].
You should be able to use your credit card pretty much everywhere (especially Mastercard and Visa). Diners Club cards tend to attract a fee or not be accepted. Checks are not generally accepted.
=== Electricity ===
230V, 50Hz, 10A [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112|flat, angled awesome pins]]
{{https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg}}
Notice the small switch on the side. Unless you flip it on, don't expect the power socket to do much for you.
Via the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUZhoYJI3M|magic of pliers]], Australian and US power plugs are somewhat interoperable (I don't recommend you actually do this).
=== Tourism ===
Far too many tourists, especially in winter^H^H^H^H^H^Hsummer
==== Food ====
We have both kinds: pies and ..
actually, just [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_pie_%28Australia_and_New_Zealand%29 |pies]].
==== IRC Logs ====
* also see [[https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/sydney-2015#irc-logs|Houdini wiki]] for Saturday and Sunday
* [[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/08-css-irc|Monday and Tuesday (#css)]] ([[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/08-css-irc.txt|txt]])
* [[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-fx-irc|Wednesday (#fx)]] ([[http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-fx-irc.txt|txt]])
==== Agenda ====
=== Mon ===
== AM ==
* 2.1 Issues
* [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2015Jan/0016.html|2.1 errata and test updates to match charset changes in level 3]] (dbaron)
* margin collapsing question (dbaron)
* Font Loading API (heycam)
* Use of tasks, open issues
* :for() selector (Florian) : https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0064.html
* Prev-sibling and parent combinators - allow :has() with some combinators in fast profile?
* ::marker
* Text level 4
* text-wrap: balance
* Flex break controls
== PM ==
* css-sizing: interaction of floats and percentage-sized stuff and shrink-to-fit sizing; preferred width vs. max-content width
* CSS Text (Koji would like to call in)
* break opportunities around replaced elements ([[spec:css3-text:line-break-around-replaced-elements|summary on the wiki]])
* Coordinated release of visible control characters.
* CSS Writing Modes (Koji would like to call in)
* text-orientation: sideways and sideways-left ([[spec:css3-writing-modes:sideways-left|summary on the wiki]])
* Propagation from body (was this resolved? [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0272.html|www-style thread]])
* Removing the SVG 1.1 keywords
* multi-line / block ellipsis (Florian)
* https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0357.html
* discuss the approach
* get feedback on the details
=== Tue ===
== AM ==
* CSS extensions to support rounded display (Soonbo Han)
* https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#CSS_Extensions_to_support_a_round_display
* http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-rounddisplay-minutes.html
* http://www.w3.org/wiki/images/8/84/141029_W3C_TPAC_Breakout_Session_Round_Display.pdf
* CSS3-UI (tantek, florian)
* Discuss proposals for remaining issues: https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-ui#current-issues
* Determine steps necessary to exit CR
* CSS Inline (Dave C.)
* goals for rewrite of line layout
* CJK and Indic initial letters
* The myth of the hanging baseline
== PM ==
* Page Floats
* @extend
* Custom ident
* Flexbox
* Form control styling: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-forms/
* Update Snapshot
* CSS 2.2 FPWD
* Obsolete http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-linebox/
* W3C new publication system Echidna (public beta Mon 8 Feb)
* upcoming meeting dates and locations
* css-ruby: vertical aspects of ruby layout and line spacing rules (dbaron)
* css-ruby: loop between computed values of display and writing-mode (related to ruby-position) (dbaron)
=== Wed ===
== AM ==
* CSS3-UI
* Box Sizing
* Interaction between overflow, positioning and filters (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JanMar/0002.html) (added by smfr, hopefully roc can talk about it)
* Filter Effects LCCR (Dirk)
* CSS Blending PR (Dirk)
* Colored font palette control (heycam)
* text-rendering (roc)
== Lunch ==
* Gelato
== PM ==
* Canceling and interrupting transitions (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0150.html)
* taking css-transitions to LCCR (dbaron)
* css-transforms: Specifying decomposition of scale (https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/Specifying_decomposition_of_scale) (takagi)
* web-animations: status update, events & promises, API bikeshedding, end behavior of animations, translate/rotate/scale (bbirtles, shanestephens, tabatkins)
* ID-less referencing (bbirtles)
* How do we handle properties/property values that CSS has agreed to but are not yet in finalized specifications? (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Feb/0157.html) (Tav)
* Text in a shape, review. (Tav)
* Baselines (heycam)
* http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-pseudo/#highlight-pseudos
=== Overflow ===
* Media Queries (florian)
* speech & linear-speech media features (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0041.html)
* Tab order on display tree switch
==== Proposed Agenda Topics ====
* upcoming meeting dates and locations
* CSS 2.2 FPWD
* css-sizing: interaction of floats and percentage-sized stuff and shrink-to-fit sizing; preferred width vs. max-content width
* css-ruby: vertical aspects of ruby layout and line spacing rules (dbaron)
* [[http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2015Jan/0016.html|2.1 errata and test updates to match charset changes in level 3]] (dbaron)
* CSS3-UI (tantek, florian)
* Determine steps necessary to exit CR
* Discuss proposals for remaining issues: https://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-ui#current-issues
* Media Queries (florian)
* speech & linear-speech media features (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0041.html)
* multi-line / block ellipsis (Florian)
* https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0357.html
* discuss the approach
* get feedback on the details
* CSS Inline (Dave C.)
* goals for rewrite of line layout
* CJK and Indic initial letters
* The myth of the hanging baseline
* Tab order on display tree switch
* Canceling and interrupting transitions (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0150.html)
* taking css-transitions to LCCR (dbaron)
* Update Snapshot
* Flex break controls
* text-wrap: balance
* Form control styling: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-forms/
* @extend
* Interaction between overflow, positioning and filters (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2015JanMar/0002.html) (added by smfr, hopefully roc can talk about it)
* CSS extensions to support rounded display (Soonbo Han)
* https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#CSS_Extensions_to_support_a_round_display
* http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-rounddisplay-minutes.html
* http://www.w3.org/wiki/images/8/84/141029_W3C_TPAC_Breakout_Session_Round_Display.pdf
* CSS Text (Koji would like to call in)
* Coordinated release of visible control characters.
* break opportunities around replaced elements ([[spec:css3-text:line-break-around-replaced-elements|summary on the wiki]])
* CSS Writing Modes (Koji would like to call in)
* text-orientation: sideways and sideways-left ([[spec:css3-writing-modes:sideways-left|summary on the wiki]])
* Propagation from body (was this resolved? [[https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jan/0272.html|www-style thread]])
* Removing the SVG 1.1 keywords
* W3C new publication system Echidna (public beta Mon 8 Feb)
* margin collapsing question (dbaron)
* :for() selector (Florian) : https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Dec/0064.html
* Prev-sibling and parent combinators - allow :has() with some combinators in fast profile?
* Font Loading API (heycam)
* Use of tasks, open issues