Freedom of Panorama info in Nearby

[misaochan]

A user at the hackathon talked to me about images being deleted because there is no way to invoke freedom of panorama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama from within the app. Anyone know if this is possible, and if so, how to implement it?

[alcpp]

I'm a user which talked :)

I open app on my city (Dnipro, Ukraine) and it shows a lot of places I can photo.
Its strange, because we've made a lot of fotos previously.

If you open corresponding wiki-article you will see it is already illustrated.

But even if the user will make a suggested photo, it will be deleted in few days. User will experience bad user experience :)

The reason is - no FOP in Ukraine.

Probably it makes sence to not show items which don't have FOP or show it with different icon.

[neslihanturan]

Hi @alcpp , thanks for your feedback.

Probably it makes sence to not show items which don't have FOP or show it with different icon.

So maybe we can relate this issue with our nearby filter plan #1450 ? Do I understand what you mean correctly?

[alcpp]

yes, it seems "place state" option can be used.

[neslihanturan]

Thanks @alcpp , will edit discussion accordingly.

[nicolas-raoul]

The restrictive law does not cover Wikidata items such as famous trees, streets, mountains, ponds, very old buildings and statues, architecturally uninteresting buildings, etc, right? Is there a way to know whether an Ukrainian item is forbidden to shoot or not, using SPARQL?

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[lucaswerkmeister]

I tried to write a query, but I think it would have to be specific for each country, we don’t have the copyright laws of different countries in structured form:

# attempt at a query to determine if a Ukrainian monument may be photographed or not
ASK {
  BIND(wd:Q25394061 AS ?item) # change item ID here
  ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q4989906;
        wdt:P17 wd:Q212.
  OPTIONAL {
    # creator died more than 70 years ago
    ?item wdt:P170 ?creator.
    ?creator wdt:P570 ?dateOfDeath.
    FILTER(?dateOfDeath < "1949-01-01"^^xsd:dateTime)
  }
  OPTIONAL {
    # monument was installed more than 150 years ago, assume the creator died more than 70 years ago
    ?item wdt:P571 ?inception.
    FILTER(?inception < "1869-01-01"^^xsd:dateTime)
  }
  FILTER(BOUND(?dateOfDeath) || BOUND(?inception))
}

Try it!

[nicolas-raoul]

Executing this SPARQL query for each item shown on the map, potentially for several countries, would take too much time, but here is a
2018 discussion about this topic that can help us make things efficient:

== Photographing trip: Mark items that can not be uploaded to Commons anyway? ==
I often go out of my way to photograph an item that has no image yet (using the Commons Android app or WikiShootMe).

So I arrive there, take a picture, and... realize I can not upload it to Commons due to copyright problems.

This problem could be avoided if the item was somehow marked as "No need to go there because pictures of that item can not be uploaded to Commons anyway". The app and WikiShootMe could filter out such items, thus allowing people like me to go to more useful places. Is there anything like this?

Thanks! Syced (talk) 07:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

    One option could be to add a statement "image: no value" and then potentially some qualifier to explain it more similar to "reason for deprecation". --LydiaPintscher (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

        Great idea! Would nobody be against that? If not I will start doing like this. Syced (talk) 03:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
        Prototype: Monument to Osip Mandelstam in Vladivostok (Q25394721) Does that look acceptable? Syced (talk) 03:58, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

            Looks reasonable to me. - Jmabel (talk) 18:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

So I suggest we:

• Make the app filter out items with "image: no value". Currently the app shows https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25394721 despite it having "image: no value" (screenshot below).
• Mark items covered by "enslavement of panorama" with "image: no value". The SPARQL request above could be reused, just removing the single item and adding a particular category, for instance "monument", to add the "enslavement of panorama" mark to all Ukrainian monuments built less than 150 years ago or whose creator died less than 70 years ago. Maybe @lucaswerkmeister and @alcpp might be willing to help with this? :-)

[lucaswerkmeister]

I don’t think I agree with that usage of “image: no value”… it works if you interpret P18 as “freely licensed image on Wikimedia Commons”, but it’s not like the item physically cannot be photographed.

[nicolas-raoul]

P18 effectively means “freely licensed image on Wikimedia Commons” since no other images are allowed :-)
Wikimedia veterans LydiaPintscher and Jmabel seem to agree.

[alcpp]

"Executing this SPARQL query for each item shown on the map, potentially for several countries, would take too much time,"

True :)
Actually first version of script form Lucas was for a list of items in Ukraine.

But I was thinking about some automatic properties in each wikidata item at that momment, so proposed to make a script for 1 item.

Definetly here should be used script for a list of items.

[nicolas-raoul]

A first step with no perfomance issue could be
to show a popup or banner when a pin in a no-FoP country is selected, using the same data as #1527

I don't think we should prevent upload or set "no value" in Wikidata, because we can upload the most representative picture we can take that still is legal, for instance a fisheye picture of the plaque of a sculpture, with the sculpture blurred behind the plaque. Example: I took this picture for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18763693 and it is still there: