Why CC signals? #62
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But why so few "nuanced" options and none of the ones creators are asking for? How is that agency? That comes across as a "Any color the customer wants, as long as it’s black." statement. |
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"The most salient type of feedback", as you put it, was not what the above gaslighting and reframing wants to suggest, but the simple request to stop this "project", and to not sink your reputation that was built by many believers and promoters (including me), in the course of many years. You're making it clear that you intend to proceed, no matter what. So be it, I'm done with "CC" licensing. Bye. |
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I still say that you're looking at this from the wrong end. The problem is that we don't have a convenient enough way to offer up our work to a billion-dollar company that has no interest in paying for labor while expressing our wish that they would maybe help out. The problem is the billion-dollar companies that have no interest in paying for labor. Who is this for? I can maybe see Mozilla's Common Voice using it, but literally nobody else, because who both trusts that abusive corporations will care what we want, this time, and doesn't mind massive corporations profiting from their work? |
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I did not share any feedback. I criticised this ill-advised nonsense of a "project".
These are plain lies, gaslighting indeed as @tuxwise puts it. This was not what was said. People said "AI is a vague marketing buzzword" and showed no desire for "it" to "happen" "with or for us all". Creators, and seemingly whatever "communities" might be, don't have "interests" that are "overshadowed"; they seem to desire that this nonsense just get off their back and leave their work alone. Your wording in general redressed all the backlash you got and the backlash so-called "AI" got as disappointment with some management decisions and product feedback Honestly, this kind of engagement is so off putting in and of itself that I don't feel like ever using or recommending your licences again merely on that basis, regardless of what you might do with this so-called "project" eventually.
LLM companies are violating any measures of this sort, up to and including attempts to block their access. This is pie in the sky thinking at best, but the realistic outcome is the name of CC is sacrificed as PR fodder for them. And along with allowing them to deploy the name and reputation of CC, all CC users' past usage and endorsement of both the licences and the institution are rendered at their feet along with it. All you're doing amounts to awarding them a safe way to say "you're withholding consent wrong, so your non-consent is invalid".
Reciprocity between authors and artists and global trillion dollar companies?
Heard from whom? |
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I keep seeing The reason If you're trying to do something similar with CC-Signals, I have to ask: what's the "stick" to accompany the carrot here? The whole thing is very vague on that front - some indicators of "well AI scraping that doesn't respect this is uhh going to suffer quality problems down the line!" but no concrete explanations. So AI scrapers won't care at all. Meanwhile, webmasters have no real incentive to adopt this either: Chatbots don't link back, they don't attribute, they don't drive traffic - in fact they go out of their way to obscure sources. If the implied default is "don't scrape my content" there's no reason for a webmaster to want anything different. I believe this is because you don't have any disincentives to offer. You have no stick. Which is why this seems ultimately a doomed operation. I think that |
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The signal we want is simple: "no, sod off or get sued." That simple signal doesn't appear in any of the manure you've shoveled out to us so far, CC. Figure out how to make it appear and we might come back. As is, you're cooked. Your community is vanishing because you have refused to listen to it and serve it. You're done, CC. Finished. Over. Kaput. Goodbye, from a two-decades supporter. |
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Thanks to everyone who shared feedback so far. We’re listening and this is just the beginning of the conversation. This update responds to early questions about CC signals. A more comprehensive summary and next steps will come after the current consultation period has ended.
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