Play audio when clicked?

[Steve K]

Hi,

I'm designing a website for the Cornell Undergraduate Business Program
where the client wants faculty and student profiles to be interspersed
throught the site.

These profiles are contained in small boxes or tables with their bio or
a statement from the student, etc., etc.

The client wants an audio clip to play when the user clicks on the audio
icon in that profile to hear the students voice or the faculty bio read
aloud. Best case scenario would be for the audio to play in the
background and not have it jump to it's own page like some audio files
do, or open their own player, etc., etc.

I've made a web page before where there is audio in the background but
it came on automatically when the page loaded, not controlled by a
click.

Is what I'm describing possible? Is there a better solution? I'm not
that advanced in programming, but I'm not too bad either I guess.

Here is a sample page:

http://aem.cornell.edu/business_site_proof/second_page/index.htm

Thank you
Steve

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Steve K schrieb:[color=blue]
> The client wants an audio clip to play when the user clicks on the audio
> icon in that profile to hear the students voice or the faculty bio read
> aloud.[/color]

<a href="youraudio file.mp3">Hear the students voice or the faculty bio
read aloud</a>

[color=blue]
> Best case scenario would be for the audio to play in the
> background and not have it jump to it's own page like some audio files
> do, or open their own player, etc., etc.[/color]

You can't control how the user configures his browser.


Matthias

[Steve K]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <smk17-2A0663.13354101 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>,
Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote:

Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash. Thanks.

[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I'm designing a website for the Cornell Undergraduate Business Program
> where the client wants faculty and student profiles to be interspersed
> throught the site.
>
> These profiles are contained in small boxes or tables with their bio or
> a statement from the student, etc., etc.
>
> The client wants an audio clip to play when the user clicks on the audio
> icon in that profile to hear the students voice or the faculty bio read
> aloud. Best case scenario would be for the audio to play in the
> background and not have it jump to it's own page like some audio files
> do, or open their own player, etc., etc.
>
> I've made a web page before where there is audio in the background but
> it came on automatically when the page loaded, not controlled by a
> click.
>
> Is what I'm describing possible? Is there a better solution? I'm not
> that advanced in programming, but I'm not too bad either I guess.
>
> Here is a sample page:
>
> http://aem.cornell.edu/business_site...page/index.htm
>
> Thank you
> Steve[/color]

[Kris]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <smk17-96D011.10141802 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>,
Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash. Thanks.[/color]

Will you be back with the topic "Play Flash when clicked"? :)

--
Kris
kristiaan@xs4al l.netherlands (nl)

[Steve K]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <kristiaan-8857A7.16592302 102003@news1.ne ws.xs4all.nl>, Kris
<kristiaan@xs4a ll.netherlands> wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <smk17-96D011.10141802 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>,
> Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash. Thanks.[/color]
>
> Will you be back with the topic "Play Flash when clicked"? :)[/color]

Nope. ;P

[Brian]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Steve K wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash.[/color]

And it's ok if it fails completely on systesm without flash (and
leaves that ugly "plug-in" box besides) ?

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Shawn K. Quinn]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Steve K wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <smk17-2A0663.13354101 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>,
> Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote:
>
> Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash. Thanks.[/color]

Including a 100% failure where Flash is not installed? (Yes, some of us
browse without Flash, quite on purpose.)

Apparently, the concept of "World Wide Web" is completely lost on you.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

[Steve K]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <9LidnXbhNvtkrh OiXTWc-w@speakeasy.net >, "Shawn K. Quinn"
<skquinn@xeviou s.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Steve K wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <smk17-2A0663.13354101 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>,
> > Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote:
> >
> > Never mind, I can do it exactly as I need it with Flash. Thanks.[/color]
>
> Including a 100% failure where Flash is not installed? (Yes, some of us
> browse without Flash, quite on purpose.)
>
> Apparently, the concept of "World Wide Web" is completely lost on you.[/color]



Apparently I'm still learning. Go easy dude. You didn't come out of the
womb with complete knowledge of everything. There was a point when you
didn't know this either, that's where I am.

I'm trying to be as compliant as I can. After I posted that I realized a
good majority of people do browse without flash, haven't a clue on what
flash is, wouldn't know how to get it if they needed it anyway. So I've
been working on alternatives. I just didn't bother to notify anyone here
of that.

[Eric Bohlman]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote in news:smk17-
CC147C.08154321 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du:
[color=blue]
> Apparently I'm still learning. Go easy dude. You didn't come out of the
> womb with complete knowledge of everything. There was a point when you
> didn't know this either, that's where I am.
>
> I'm trying to be as compliant as I can. After I posted that I realized a
> good majority of people do browse without flash, haven't a clue on what
> flash is, wouldn't know how to get it if they needed it anyway. So I've
> been working on alternatives. I just didn't bother to notify anyone here
> of that.[/color]

It's just in the nature of Usenet that people will jump into the middle of
a conversation, even a conversation that seemingly ended a long time ago,
and reply to something without having followed the history of the
conversation up to the point that that something was said or knowing what
was said afterwards. And that often leads to misunderstandin gs.

It's just due to the non-real-time character of newsgroup discussion. It's
best not to let such things upset you. And don't forget that newsgroup
discussion is quite unlike any form of face-to-face communication that
anyone is going to have grown up familiar with. Where in "real life" do
you find a varying group of strangers engaging in an in-depth, not very
structured conversation on topics about which many of the participants feel
very passionate (sex, politics, and religion are among the favorites)?
Very few people have much experience dealing with this sort of interaction,
and things often get messy as a result. And on top of that, there's the
lack of cues like body language and tone of voice. Additionally,
participants are effectively invisible when they aren't talking (which can
make people feel pressured to say something, anything, even in cases where
it would be best to keep one's mouth shut).

Newsgroup conversation really requires its own set of social skills, beyond
the ones that most people learn in childhood. Probably the most important
one is not trying to read people's minds: guessing at someone's motivation
for making a statement usually leads to wrong guesses (one very common
cause of acrimony is the misunderstandin g that results when a reader takes
a poster's statements much more seriously than the poster did).

Another one is not being to quick to be offended, as well as not being
offensive oneself. In fact, Postel's Law ("be liberal in what you accept
and conservative in what you send out") is a good rule for the content of
human conversation over a network as well as for the underlying streams of
bits (it's no accident that the word for all the rules about who gets
seated where and who gets to talk when in diplomatic conferences and the
like is "protocol") .

[Steve K]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <Xns941B90707BE F9ebohlmanomsde vcom@130.133.1. 4>, Eric
Bohlman <ebohlman@earth link.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu> wrote in news:smk17-
> CC147C.08154321 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du:
>[color=green]
> > Apparently I'm still learning. Go easy dude. You didn't come out of the
> > womb with complete knowledge of everything. There was a point when you
> > didn't know this either, that's where I am.
> >
> > I'm trying to be as compliant as I can. After I posted that I realized
> > a
> > good majority of people do browse without flash, haven't a clue on what
> > flash is, wouldn't know how to get it if they needed it anyway. So I've
> > been working on alternatives. I just didn't bother to notify anyone
> > here
> > of that.[/color]
>
> It's just in the nature of Usenet that people will jump into the middle
> of
> a conversation, even a conversation that seemingly ended a long time ago,
> and reply to something without having followed the history of the
> conversation up to the point that that something was said or knowing what
> was said afterwards. And that often leads to misunderstandin gs.
>
> It's just due to the non-real-time character of newsgroup discussion.
> It's
> best not to let such things upset you. And don't forget that newsgroup
> discussion is quite unlike any form of face-to-face communication that
> anyone is going to have grown up familiar with. Where in "real life" do
> you find a varying group of strangers engaging in an in-depth, not very
> structured conversation on topics about which many of the participants
> feel
> very passionate (sex, politics, and religion are among the favorites)?
> Very few people have much experience dealing with this sort of
> interaction,
> and things often get messy as a result. And on top of that, there's the
> lack of cues like body language and tone of voice. Additionally,
> participants are effectively invisible when they aren't talking (which
> can
> make people feel pressured to say something, anything, even in cases
> where
> it would be best to keep one's mouth shut).
>
> Newsgroup conversation really requires its own set of social skills,
> beyond
> the ones that most people learn in childhood. Probably the most
> important
> one is not trying to read people's minds: guessing at someone's
> motivation
> for making a statement usually leads to wrong guesses (one very common
> cause of acrimony is the misunderstandin g that results when a reader
> takes
> a poster's statements much more seriously than the poster did).
>
> Another one is not being to quick to be offended, as well as not being
> offensive oneself. In fact, Postel's Law ("be liberal in what you accept
> and conservative in what you send out") is a good rule for the content of
> human conversation over a network as well as for the underlying streams
> of
> bits (it's no accident that the word for all the rules about who gets
> seated where and who gets to talk when in diplomatic conferences and the
> like is "protocol") .[/color]



Eric, that was amazing. Everyone, and I mean everyone, should read this
who uses Usenet.

You put into words what would only come out as mush, and brain freeze
when I tried to explain the strangeness of posting on Usenet. I'm being
serious.

I did take a light offense to his post. Implying I know nothing about
the World Wide Web. But I'm using flash as a result of knowing my target
audience, knowing what browsers they are using, etc. He made it sound
as if you should never use flash. I'd say 97% of my target audience
(high school seniors, undergrads, all around the world about to enter or
thinking about entering Cornell's Applied Economics and Management
undergraduate business program) will be able to see the flash I use. If
they can't they will be redirected to an alternate page.

[Stan Brown]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <smk17-A2D507.09574822 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>
in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu>
wrote:[color=blue]
>I'd say 97% of my target audience
>(high school seniors, undergrads, all around the world about to enter or
>thinking about entering Cornell's Applied Economics and Management
>undergraduat e business program) will be able to see the flash I use.[/color]

Again with the made-up numbers. Sigh.

"My mind is made up; don't confuse me with facts."

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

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[Safalra]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a00e d652e8d5f2d98b6 16@news.odyssey .net>...[color=blue]
> In article <smk17-A2D507.09574822 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>
> in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu>
> wrote:[color=green]
> >I'd say 97% of my target audience
> >(high school seniors, undergrads, all around the world about to enter or
> >thinking about entering Cornell's Applied Economics and Management
> >undergraduat e business program) will be able to see the flash I use.[/color]
>
> Again with the made-up numbers. Sigh.[/color]

As they say, 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

--- Stephen Morley ---

http://www.safalra.com

[Steve K]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

In article <c555467b.03102 30703.5b520639@ posting.google. com>,
usenet@safalra. com (Safalra) wrote:
[color=blue]
> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:<MPG.1a00e d652e8d5f2d98b6 16@news.odyssey .net>...[color=green]
> > In article <smk17-A2D507.09574822 102003@newsstan d.cit.cornell.e du>
> > in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Steve K <smk17@cornell. edu>
> > wrote:[color=darkred]
> > >I'd say 97% of my target audience
> > >(high school seniors, undergrads, all around the world about to enter
> > >or
> > >thinking about entering Cornell's Applied Economics and Management
> > >undergraduat e business program) will be able to see the flash I use.[/color]
> >
> > Again with the made-up numbers. Sigh.[/color]
>
> As they say, 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.[/color]


yeah yeah. The website for this department which has the same target
audience has a web counter. The site for that webcounter (nextgenstats)
gives us detailed info on the last 100 users everyday. 97% of these
users are on IE 4.

That's where I got my info from. Since Macromedia says:

"The Macromedia Flash Player is installed on 97% of Internet-enabled
desktops worldwide and on a wide range of popular devices."

I'm assuming there is a good percentage of those IE 4 users having the
flash player installed.

I could be wrong.

[Barry Pearson]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

Steve K wrote:
[snip][color=blue]
> That's where I got my info from. Since Macromedia says:
>
> "The Macromedia Flash Player is installed on 97% of Internet-enabled
> desktops worldwide and on a wide range of popular devices."
>
> I'm assuming there is a good percentage of those IE 4 users having the
> flash player installed.
>
> I could be wrong.[/color]

I think many of these arguments and statistics are irrelevant, rather than
right or wrong.

I have Flash installed. I browse with it disabled. Perhaps I show up in
Macromedia's 97%, but that would be totally misleading. Before I found how to
disable Flash, I typically avoided it. If there was an alternative to Flash on
a site that I wanted to look at, I would use it. If there wasn't an
alternative, I would consider going elsewhere, unless I really HAD to access
the site. And that was rare.

When I see Flash, my immediate reaction (right or wrong) is "effort has been
put into presentation at the expense of content". It colours my opinion of
that web site from that point onwards.

It isn't just an assumption that effort has been diverted in a direction that
is wrong for me as a user. It is also my experience that Flash makes web sites
much worse from my point of view. It often takes control away from me, by
imposing a time-line on me instead of letting me control a sequence. It often
replaces my familar way of doing things - eg. navigation - with a new model
that I would rather not have to learn. I can't think of the last time Flash
actually provided extra value to me as a web user, beyond what could have been
achieved without Flash.

Given what I have just said in the previous paragraph, it should be obvious
what my impression is of people who actually use Flash for such pusposes. I
start from a position of considering that the developer/author has no real
consideration for me, rather than sympathy for me. That is a high obstacle for
that web site to overcome from then on.

--
Barry Pearson

http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/

http://www.BirdsAndAnimals.info/

http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

[Matt]

Re: Play audio when clicked?

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:43:11 +0100, Barry Pearson wrote:
[color=blue]
> Steve K wrote:
> [snip][color=green]
>> That's where I got my info from. Since Macromedia says:
>>
>> "The Macromedia Flash Player is installed on 97% of Internet-enabled
>> desktops worldwide and on a wide range of popular devices."[/color][/color]

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're trying to sell a
product!

Think of it a 3 in every 100 that won't ==> annoyed user.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I'm assuming there is a good percentage of those IE 4 users having the
>> flash player installed.[/color][/color]

Some browsers that aren't IE4 claim to be IE4 so that 'browser sniffing'
fails. I set my browser to say what it is, and occasionaly get messages
telling me to "upgrade to a version 4 browser". Sometimes I use lynx (a
text browser) which makes browsing so much faster. But not often.

My mum uses Opera. She get's *really* mad when sites tell her to use IE. A
quick press of F12, click "Identify as Internet Explorer" and the problem
is (usually) solved.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I could be wrong.[/color]
>
> When I see Flash, my immediate reaction (right or wrong) is "effort has been
> put into presentation at the expense of content". It colours my opinion of
> that web site from that point onwards.[/color]

I agree :-) It's almost always true.

Text in Flash isn't found by search engines, blind people, people with
expensive phones, people with slow PCs who've disabled it.......
[color=blue]
> It often takes control away from me,
> by imposing a time-line on me instead of letting me control a sequence.[/color]

This is the worst thing - waiting for the flash to load, then waiting
again for it to do some pathetic anomation.

--
Matt


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